They are not the same.

By caleba76@yahoo.com on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 09:20 pm:

Try researching Juniper Tree Ceremony from Dahn.

By CLL on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 01:40 pm:

thank you, Mouse, i had found the Unification Church data. I'm doing reseach on posthumous religious ceremonies of all Faiths, interestingly the L.D.S. does a posthumous ceremony they refer to as "Baptism by proxy". I skimmed this board and surfed to newdahn, found where the Korean ex-master writer was told by ilchi lee to "find out how the Moonies raise money, and copy that..." I paraphrase; (he did not say Moonies, I don't believe.) Do you think that this is perhaps when Dahn adopted the ritual?
I will follow your leads now. Thanks and I would love to learn more about Dahn ritual if anybody has specifics. thanks in advance
Caterina Lorenzo-Lara
(CLL)

By Mouse on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 12:57 pm:

The ancestor liberation ceremony? I've seen a bit of chatter about it, but not many sources you could actually cite in an article. Googling...

Interesting. The first online hit (Wikipedia) and most other sites credit the ceremony to Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church ("the Moonies"). I can't find a Dahn Yoga-sponsored site that even mentions the ceremony. (Maybe one of the ex-masters who frequents this board knows what Dahn calls the ceremony in Korean? It might help with searching.)

Wikipedia sez:
"The Ancestor liberation ceremony (Haewonshik) of the Unification Church is intended to release the earthbound spirits of dead people from attachments in the physical world. Some of these spirits, according to the church, hang around or cling to the spiritual bodies of living people, causing them difficulties such as poor health or bad luck. After liberation, these spirits are escorted by angels to high realms of the spirit world, where they are invited to seminars on Unification Church teachings. After the seminar, the spirits are assigned to assist people on earth."

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestor_liberation_ceremony (Includes photo links and related topics). Unfortunately, I don't know exactly what this interpretation has in common with the Dahn Yoga version; I suspect the ceremony itself is very similar, but that the spirits' intended destination is different. (Does anyone else recall the comments in the NewDahn story about imitating the Unification Church?) Can anybody help us out?

The ancestor liberation ceremony and its cost IS mentioned briefly in several of the articles posted at Rick Ross's cult-watch site. See http://www.rickross.com/groups/dti.html
$20,000 is the amount cited in most of the articles, though some people have reported even higher amounts on this board. I imagine that something that grandiose would take place at their retreat in Arizona. But again, I don't know first-hand.

I found Body & Brain magazine online (http://www.bodynbrain.com/), but I can't find the article I had in mind. I SWEAR they published an article last year written by someone who had participated in a liberation ceremony, but it's not THERE. *grumble* Maybe it was a different publication... Still, the site might be helpful to your research.

You can also search this message board and see what others have said by pushing Ctrl + F and typing in a phrase.

Anyway, there are much better informants than me on this board, and I hope they speak up soon. But I hope SOME of this rambling is helpful. ;) Good luck, and let us know what you learn.

By CaterinaLorenzoLara on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 04:34 am:

Can anybody give me information on the purported "Ancestor Liberation Ceremony"?
I'm doing research. How much does it cost, what does it supposedly do, and where/how is it done?


C.L.L.

By D.B. on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:01 pm:

SAH, Well, I'm glad the N.G. is busy, FINALLY!! (That's all I'm going to say about that...)
Vis-a-vis the curses: Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists, and therein lies the Peace of God. So, no, I don't need any help, but thanks for asking!
Cheers!
D.B.

By Stillahealer on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 06:43 pm:

"People are "cursing" me" and I don't mean "potty mouth" either..".

Are you handling it o.k.? Do you need any support? The National Guard is busy at the moment. So try to hold on.
Love Light Always.

SAH a/k/a anon. 11:27

By D.B. on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 04:07 pm:

Cheers, Dears,
Petrice, how could anybody be pissed off; what you said is very healing and there are stages we "cult survivors" go through.

Oh wise anonymous, could you please pick a name?

Now, concerning stages, One doesn't go to a gunfight packing a knife. If I'm going to go to a gunfight, I will be carrying a gun. I hope you all know I'm speaking rhetorically here!!!!

My stage is to expose Dahn by any means necessary, and I know it's going to get nasty.

I've sent the pertinent links to all the people I was at Healer School with. My ears are burning.
People are "cursing" me, and I don't mean "potty mouth" either...

CAPS FOR EMPHASIS!! THE WORDS "DEATH" AND "BALONEY" DO NOT LOOK GOOD IN THE SAME SENTENCE, NOW DO THEY???

love you guys, hang in there!
D.B.

By Anonymous on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 11:27 am:

"I didn't get to read the article yet (been a bit busy) but I checked on-line today in the court system and it's on there. What's interesting is that the lawyer on the papers originally doesn't seem to be on the case now. They have brought in some big names"

Response from my New York fact checker about the case. Getting interesting!!!!

By Anonymous on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:36 am:

Petrice, I for one don't feel pissed off at you. Everyone processes their losses caused by dahn in their own way and often in stages, much like grieving.

For some who have been terribly injured by dahn over a period of years, anger and hostility can be part of their healing process and can lead to action that may help prevent others from experiencing great loss. What better way to heal than to help others not to walk into a trap?

By momma on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 07:56 am:

Petrice; welcome back. many of us have learned a lot from Dahn practice which we use every day.
wonderful sharing!!

By Anonymous on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 09:55 pm:

E-mail recieved thanks. Travel budget established, here come the frequent flier miles. Will get working on it soon.

A.N

By Petrice on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 09:05 am:

I had a very interesting dream the other night and thought about sharing with you all.

I actually have noticed lately that I am finally feeling totally free of emotion around dahnhak. This dream made me realize it. I just got one of those auto emails from dahn giving tips for the day type stuff and my first response was to delete it but I decided instead to just check it out. I use dahn stuff in my work every day and on myself. Not that it's Dahn stuff but just things I learned from dahn...

Anyway, in my dream, there was a lot of weird things going on like catching my jwjn and sbn stashing chocolate and exposing their addiction. Then there was this point where I was going to enter the last session of healer school and a korean guy turned me away at the door telling me I didn't have to attend and handed me a bunch of money as refund. Turned out it was only a few hundred. Then there was this point when I realized that the 2 people who were running the center when I was there, were so close and sweet with each other that I remember saying in my dream that those 2 should not be separated. Even tho in real life they already have been.

Then, there was this point when I realized that if Dahn were to seize to exist, more people would suffer. I woke up and pondered this dream for a while. I came to the conclusion that despite my personal beliefs about Dahns unethical practices, I believe that Dahn is helping a lot more people than they are harming them. I am not saying that I will ever go back. I still believe they are a cult and taking advantage of peoples vulnerablities and robbing them blind. But the good thing is, they are teaching them some of the most powerful self-healing practices on this planet and bringing a higher consciousness to many who don't have exposure to such philosophies like we do on every corner here where I live.

I realize this may be pissing some of you off. But I truly believe that everything exists for a reason and maybe Dahn exists to teach those of us who got involved to learn how to love and value ourselves enough to live a healthier life and get the bleep out of Dahn! Dahn represent both good and evil, and their practice taught me how to see that and mature in my thinking around things in life. I have always tended to think in black adn white terms, especially when I was really gung ho about something or the opposite. It was either all bad or all good. But there is no such thing, except for when we access the one Source.

Now that we see the evil in Dahn, I pray that we can all take the good from it and continue loving ourselves, nurturing our bodies, minds and souls and bless those who are still in it. Pray that they too can gain the strength, health and knowing to get out and move on, not with hate and anger in their hearts, but with gratitude for what Dahn gave us.

Now that I am not pissed off anymore, I can see the gifts so much more clearly and am so truly grateful. I no longer see Dahn as purley evil, but as a way of teaching us to worship nothing but the one and only source, and that resides in and around us. And for most of us, we need to get really angry and see red before we can get out and get through it.

I hope this is making sense to you all. I don't mean to interrupt wherever you are in your process. I just wanted to share mine and pray that you all find peace in your hearts around this eventually.

Much love and many blessings to you all
Petrice

By Greta wanabe on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 08:38 am:

To follow up on Mouse: The jury decision in a criminal case must be unanimous, where as in a civil case it only needs to be a majority. Civil cases are always about the MONEY. The official language of Dahn Yoga is MONEY.

At least now there is a public record and the charges must be answered.

Friends used to call me Glen Close in Jagged Edge.

By Anonymous on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 07:09 am:

To Andrew Nevis:
Please confirm that you received the document I sent. Don't worry about the email address I used. It was just tongue in cheek.
Thanks

By Anonymous on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 02:28 am:

A New York civil case is a disaster for any corporation trying to keep its reputation clean. All the major networks are located here, and if they follow a case, the news most likely will go national. What Dahn has the potential of is losing a 100 million potential members.
When this case begins to gear up, watch how Dahn pressures its employees for money. Really good lawyers don't come cheap.

By Dahnbuster on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 10:02 pm:

Well done, Mouse! Greta Van-So-Stern could not have explained it better. Are you sure you're not in Law School?
B.T.W., Did you notice the readership of the NYP?
Over 3 million people.;~}
I have to ask myself; had I known the allegations re: this 84 million dollar wrongful death lawsuit pending against Dahn Yoga, would I have joined? Would I have gone to Mago Gardens, e.g., "Sedona" [sic]?
The answer is NO.
Oh, interesting note: At Schmeiler School during orientation the Emcee lady, "Happy" let's call her, warned us, "If you do decide to go out hiking on your own, we've learned from experience, PLEASE stay away from the edge of the cliffs..." Everyone chuckled a little, like, "Duh!"
But now I realize that she was giving us the false impression, just in case we heard about a death there, that someone had slipped and fallen only by their own stupidity...
Then of course at the wrap up session, we are warned about "many negative energy people saying bad untrue things about Dahn on internet, don't look there..."
Now I'm even more determined to get the word out BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

The United States graciously allows many people to emigrate here, for which I am grateful.
however, what if certain immigrants are only here to brainwash us, take our money, break up our families and perhaps kill us? I think it's time to revisit their immigration status.
Cheers and hurray for the NYPOST!!!

Dahnbuster

By Mouse on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 08:22 pm:

*peeks out nervously*

Re: criminal charges and civil lawsuits, my limited understanding is that the proceedings differ in the entities involved and the standards of proof. Criminal prosecution is the government versus an individual (or a few) who has been charged with a crime. To convict, the prosecution has to prove the defendant guilty "beyond a shadow of a doubt". I don't know anything about the police case in Arizona, but I can imagine the difficulty of meeting that standard of proof. (But I really can't answer whether it's appropriate for the police to comment on it...)

Civil lawsuits (again, as I understand it) can be brought by/against corporations as well as individuals--note that in the Siverls lawsuit, the corporations as well as their proprietors were named. The standard of proof for a civil suit is lower than in criminal proceedings; there need only be a "preponderance of the evidence" that supports the charges for the defendant to be held liable.

So yes, a party can be acquitted (or not even be charged, I think?) in a criminal case, and subsequently be held liable in a civil case. Remember OJ Simpson? ;)

*ducks back under her rock*

By Anonymous on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 09:45 am:

Is it appropriate for AZ police to make such a projection?

By HealerNoMore on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:37 am:

Chris Scanlon, a Manhattan lawyer for Mago Earth, one of the defendants, said, "The allegations of wrongful death are baloney." --Ny Post 09/04/05.


Does that mean her death was intentional? Was the test intentionally designed to kill someone? Or is dahn hiding from their responsibility to Julia and her family as well as the rest of the dahn members invloved?

I think this case will show the true side of dahn. The one we read about on Newdahn.com. The true immoral underbelly of dahn and ilchi lee.

Current members should seriously think about asking for refunds and finding a legitimate school.

By Anonymous on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:36 am:

Thanks, HNM, for posting that article. The more exposure the better.

Quote: "Arizona police say that the Siverls case is still open but that it's unlikely anyone will be charged."

What does it take?! Why is AZ not filing neglect charges in this case? I don't get it.

By HealerNoMore on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 11:45 pm:

The family doesn't need to have someone charged with a crime to win in civil court I hope.

I am sure there will be more stories from the NY post regarding the immoral activities of this group.


Current members be warned you are in a dangerous cult.

By HealerNoMore on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 11:35 pm:

There is an article in sundays New York Post.

www.nypost.com



HOLISTIC HORROR LAWSUIT
By DAVID HAFETZ and PHILIP RECCHIA

Julia Siverls was voracious, racking up advanced degrees in a dogged pursuit of knowledge that eventually led the Queensborough Community College education professor to a fateful spiritual retreat in the Arizona desert.

Dahnhak, a yoga and holistic-health group, offered to make her a master of its discipline if she completed one last test.

But that test cost Siverls, 41, her life, her family charges in an explosive $84 million lawsuit.

The suit calls Dahnhak a cult and alleges that it drugged Siverls, loaded her backpack with 40 pounds of rocks, gave her little food or water, then took her on a hike up Casner Mountain, near Sedona, Ariz.

She collapsed from dehydration and exhaustion in the desert heat but was forced her to go on and died halfway up the mountain on July 12, 2003, the suit says.

"It was total, total neglect," her sister, Veronica Siverls-Dunham, said. "This was a senseless death."

According to police reports obtained by The Post, an off-duty officer spotted the group on the mountain. The officer said Siverls was "hunched over" and had fallen.

An autopsy found the cause of death to be consistent with "acute heat stroke, dehydration and hyperthermia due to environmental exposure," the suit states.

Her family believes her meals at the retreat were laced with marijuana and methadone. A vegan, she never touched drugs, it says.

Siverls-Dunham, a high-school science teacher, called her sister, the youngest of 12 siblings, was the family's "pride and joy."

The suit says Dahnhak "lures" members with free yoga classes, then pressures them to attend pricey classes and retreats. Named as co-defendants are over a dozen allegedly related operations and Dahnhak's Korean leader, "Grand Master" Seung Huen Lee.

Chris Scanlon, a Manhattan lawyer for Mago Earth, one of the defendants, said, "The allegations of wrongful death are baloney."

A Dahnhak spokeswoman said neither Lee nor any other official could be reached for comment.

Seung Huen Lee, who also goes by the name Ilchi Lee, calls himself an "educational philosopher and world-peace leader" on a Web site that claims that Dahnhak teaches "the study of energy and how to use it to achieve mastery of mind and body and illumination of the spirit."

Dahnhak, based in Sedona, operates 50 centers in the U.S. and many more worldwide, according to the suit. There are at least 13 centers in New York, including locations on Sixth Avenue and a Dahn Yoga in Brooklyn Heights.

Arizona police say that the Siverls case is still open but that it's unlikely anyone will be charged.

By HealerNoMore on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 11:24 pm:

How many members hide their dahn activities from their family and friends?

By this I mean, do you tell people you clean the floors of the school or hand out flyers or even do bow training? How about the weird dances or screaming exercises or excessive pushups, or other activities which change every few weeks(this is done to keep you preoccupied). I am betting you don't because your family and friends have "low energy" or wouldn't understand. They may point out the folly in all of this. Could it be that you are simply embarassed to tell them what goes on in training sessions for which you pay alot of money?

The point I am trying to make is if dahn practice is so good, then why not tell all of your family and friends about the bowing and other activities and leave it open for discussion. The one exception I would make is the sexual abuse of the women masters as I think it is a private matter between the masters and the police.

Anyone who still doesn't believe that dahn yoga is bad is probably brainwashed already.

Do your research. dahn yoga is a dangerous cult.

By HealerNoMore on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 11:12 pm:

I found this on Rick Ross.com. It is a good read.

Are there any current members who can identify with what is in this article?

http://www.reallyweirdstuff.com/howtobesuccessfulcultleader.htm

By Anonymous on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 10:51 am:

To Andrew Nevis:
Just emailed you to your friend's email address listed below. Thanks.

By Anonymous on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 04:55 pm:

OMG! Just Googled "dahn hak"; 1st HIT:
http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000635.html
woooo!!!hoooo!!!!

By clockwork on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:04 am:

Hi Anon,

I am here still, I am here everyday even though you may not hear from me, I work everyday against Dahn and those who work for Dahn, everyday I do soomething big or small to give them a dig. I am always talking to those who may be suseptiable, especially now that the students are back in the big big college city I live in. Dahn really zones in on them big time!! I will always be working, you can trust me on that, if there are any breaks to report or big news I will let all of you know first! I am also praying for those on the Gulf Coast.

By Stillahealer on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 09:40 am:

yes, yes. The seeds have been planted and they will grow. Just because we are not posting everything we do (the surprise element) does not mean we are doing nothing.
Patience please

By Anonymous on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 09:30 am:

Let's do a role call here of active ex-members with a pulse. How many of you are using your experiences to do good? Who here is taking a stand and actually writing or telling reporters what happened?
Its okay to cry for a time, but you must eventually step beyond that and take action. Does anyone want another person to become a Dahndroid? Look outside your window, the person on the street could be your replacement in the Dahn, that's if you do nothing.
Do you want to match Lee's expectation of you? Or do you choose to show him what 100% of free will can do in showing the truth? It's your choice, but don't think too long, the person on the street is unknowningly counting on your decision.

By Andrew Nevis on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:02 pm:

The readership is only a few thousand, but it is growing with each issue. Also, the readers tend to be university students and artists, the kind Dahn wants. If all goes well fewer Koreans will have joined Dahn, all to the betterment of themselves and other Koreans.
We all want Koreans to live happy, cult free lives.
Heartening news, I have it on good authority a new article is coming out this month on Dahn.

By Dahnbuster on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 02:36 pm:

Let's make it easy for our mates, eh?
http://www.lifeinkorea.org/

One can comment the article!!
This is fantastic!!!
what's the readership of the tabloid, Andie?

Stillahealer, you make me stillathinkalot!
Speaking of temporary shelters, what about all these churches, churches, churches which are mostly vacant 6+1/2 days a week???
Do you know how many different sects or Denominations there are of Christianity?
20,000. TWENTY THOUSAND. Interesting, huh?

I'm going to go through my closet and find donations for the victims today. I believe the Red Cross will take them. It's not much, but Dahn got all my money, so it'll have to do!!!

Cheers!
Dahnbuster

By Anonymous on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 02:00 pm:

Seems like Male Masters hitting on or making out with members is common. sick.

By Andrew Nevis on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:26 am:

Want some more reading matter? Check out www.lifeinkorea.org See what Koreans and foreigners are reading in bilingual print about Dahn.

By Stillahealer on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 06:50 pm:

Maybe Dahn Centers in Texas could be used as shelters for the many victims on their way from Louisiana to the Astrodome.That would be real Healing Society in Action.

Maybe we could all come together for this event.

I know I am a dreamer.

By D.B. on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 06:40 pm:

Newsflash!
Re: Hurricane Katrina:
Over 1000 Dahn Yoga personnel, healers and Y.E.H.A. Volunteers, headed personally by Grand Master Ilchi Lee, are on their way to now underwater New Orleans, bringing necessary food, fresh water and medical supplies to the tens of thousands of destitute homeless Earth Humans...

Dahnbuster!

;~\/
(P.S...NOT!!!!!)

By fresh-ex on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 12:27 pm:

here

By Stillahealer on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 08:23 am:

thought my computer locked up.
here, here,

By don jon on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 07:58 am:

where is everybody?

By clockwork on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 07:55 am:

I am praying for all of you who were in the path of Hurricane Katrina.

By Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 12:33 pm:

Dahn Center
Yahoo Map
3321 Westpark
Houston, TX 77005

The Better Business Bureau reports on members and non-members. Membership in the BBB is voluntary. Members must meet and maintain BBB standards. If a company is a member of the BBB, it is stated in this report.

Phone Number: 713-664-3246
Fax Number: 713-664-3245
Membership Status: no
Type of Business: Yoga Instruction


CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unresolved complaint(s).

When evaluating complaint information, please consider the company's size and volume of business. The number of complaints filed against the company may not be as important as the type of complaints and how the company handled them.

Closed Complaints
Number of complaints processed by the BBB since the firm's BBB file was opened in September of 2004: 2
Number of complaints processed by the BBB in last 12 months: 2


Complaints Concerned
Refund or Exchange Issues: 1
Outcome of the complaint -
Unresolved: 1

Customer Service Issues: 1
Outcome of the complaint -
Company made good faith effort to Resolve: 1


REPORT DATE: 08/29/2005

COPYRIGHT DATE: 2005 BBB of Metropolitan Houston

The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

STANDARD DISCLAIMER

As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product

By Andrew Nevis on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 06:25 am:

Fresh-ex, the advice given here on writing is well founded. Papers like the human interest side, tell your story with facts woven in to support what's being told. This way Dahn can't dismiss you as just a disgruntled ex-member.
Now go get writing
To the person who asked for an e-mail address, here's a friend's address - flaming4u2@yahoo.com

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 08:21 pm:

I forwarded the newspaper articles to the
Metro editor of the local newspaper with a
note stating there are eight centers in our
area and it might be of interest locally.
If you wish to remain anonymous, it is my understanding
that the newspaper will not use your name with-
out permission. I have not heard back from them
yet, but still hoping.

By Click!Click! on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 04:53 pm:

Dear Fresh-Ex,

I would highly recommend a "just the facts, Ma'am.." approach.
Focus on the FOUR articles which are in newsprint, (3 N.Y., 1 TORONTO). Newsprint carries TONS more weight with any reporter than a message board or a website like NEWDAHN. Why? Because THAT'S THEIR MEDIUM!
Can you get your hands on complaints to the B.B.B. NATIONWIDE? How about reports to each State's A.G.? Don't forget they're in Canada and Mexico, also! NAFTA's gotta be good for something, here...

Whatever you do, you DO NOT want to come off as a disgruntled ex-employee or a scorned woman, know what I mean? Not that you do! But that 'flavor' is what will discredit us all if we are not careful...

NEWDAHN is great and the Surprise letter and Jiha Kim's press-conference are very valuable tools.
However, the letter is just too long, she's spilling her guts and reminiscing and cartharzing and there's no way a Reporter is going to read that whole letter, in my opinion. Also there's some stuff posted there that's just non-applicable, like the poem "annabel Lee" and "the nun's prayer" Great Stuff! But too off-topic.

Remember Jiha Kim is world-renowned poet, (although in my ignorance i'd never heard of him) if only we could get that press conference in PRINT, it would be priceless.

Lots of stuff in print in KOREAN, B.T.W.
Andie Nevis has connections in Korea, maybe he can help you there.

Like I said, this is just my opinion, and you asked for feedback. I've been told I THINK like a reporter, was that a compliment or a put-down? hehe.

Good! Luck!
Dahnbuster

p.s. healer school at mago gardens accomadations:
they have little motel rooms, not bad, three and four to a room, though. One full Murphey bed, 2 twin beds in my room. The little motel rooms connected together are old and have been there since Lester Levenson founded the "Sedona Method" resort there, in the 50's-60's, I think. They are in the process of building more motel room as we speak. They have every intention of herding 10,000,000 cattle, er-people through there by 2010-2012. Feel free to use anything on my site that can be of service, I've copied and pasted the entire W.W.W here:
http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS
and here:
http://blog.myspace.com/dahn_busters

Cheers!

By Stillahealer on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 04:18 pm:

One way would be to write and op-ed piece and send to the editor of your local paper. Many times these are picked up by other papers across the country.

Another idea may be to write a short personal story with details about yourself; why you were attracted to Dahn Yoga, what dissapointed you and how you are overcoming the loss of the Vision, Dream etc.

Gets back to Who
What
When
Where
Why.

You are a wonderful writer; reporters like you to do the work for them; then they only have to fact check.

Good luck; writing is healing!!!
Love, Light and Keep the Faith.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 04:14 pm:

Andrew Nevis, can you post you email address? Will send you something. You can just post a temporary throwaway address in case you are worried of being harassed by Dahnheads.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 01:56 pm:

http://homepage.smc.edu/gonzalez_john/Kin%20PE%2058A/Course%20Syllabus%20Spring%202005.pdf

well, this is interesting! It seems as though they are teaching dahn-hak at S.M.C. for P.E. credits.

I wonder if the Professor knows everything he needs to know about Dahn? Hmmmm.

I wonder if the Dean of S.M.C. knows about the
"Journal" articles and the "Toronto" article?

I wonder if the Dean knows about the wrongful death lawsuit?

You know, we just Assume that people in high positions do their homework. But they're so busy! Sometimes they need a little help, n'est-ce pas?

http://www.smc.edu/

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 11:17 am:

also, i am still trying to figure out how to approach a reporter about this without sounding like a nutbar. i could really use some guidance. i am really serious about doing this.

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 11:12 am:

anon 2:30am- hey, thanks alot for that link! i have always been curious to see the original work before lee had it copied. the interest in the brain was a big draw for me when i first crossed paths with dahn.
DB- thanks for pointing out that the dahn healing center is not in sedona. i knew that but i just got used to saying it (when masters repeated "you must go to sedona!" over and over like a broken record). your clarity is much appreciated!
does anyone care to share their experiences at healer school or YEHA? are the tube-like tents the accomodations?
Andrew, your the inspiration. yu da man!

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 05:50 am:

Mago Cafe is a coffee shop in Sedona. This is also one of many Dahn's businesses.

By Andrew Nevis on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 04:26 am:

Anony, the similiarities of the color is why Alison Bourne took Dahn to court. Check out Rick Ross for the details. Dahn's `ethical' creative brains were so powered down, that they resorted to stealing.

Spent the day checking on Dahn records, and was hoping people here can tell me about the people on the corporate records. Do they get any perks, benefits from being on listed as company officers?

1. Ju Eun Shin or J Eun Shin
2. Joung Han Lee
3. Ji Young Kong
4. Joung Won Lee
5. Hyun Jung Kim
6. Ki Dang Nam
7. Jong Geun Han
8. Kyung Jin Park
9. Quan Tae Kim or Quantae Kim
10. Seung Won Ryu
11. Ji Young Oh
12. Hye Rin Moon
13. Sung Wuk Lee

Would be enlightening to have more background on these servants of Dahn.

Has anyone heard anything about the two company names below:

1. Mago Cafe
2. Dahnjon Ventures - pending - filed - 8/16/05

Looked at your work Dahnbuster, excellent! Your helping with newdahn, rickross, selectsmart, Shawn Cohen, Fresh-ex, Healernomore, clockwork and other ex-members to make 2005 a truly horrible year for Dahn.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 02:30 am:

Jay Kinney, Gnosis, Winter 1999

http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Teaching-Practice/DailyPractice/BrainIllumination/index.cfm
sound familiar?
brain illumination vs brain respiration?
When did B.R. come out?
We may have another case of twims a la the Alison bourne's colour chart.
Just wondering, it could be a coincidence.

By TheWorldsDahnbustingCommunity on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 03:03 pm:

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!
the old "change the name of the Company when the Publicity gets bad" routine....
(Why didn't Enron think of that, b.t.w.?)
Dang it! I've been playing the click-click game all day! 1003 times, to be exact!
Shall make note to change strategy forthwith!
thanks for the info!
Dahnbuster

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 01:41 pm:

Regarding Google -
Probably that's why they changed their brand name to "Dahn Yoga". Their original name "Dahnhak" is hard to find in their new websites!

By Dahnbuster on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 10:21 am:

Good News, Everybody!
Do this: Google Search "Dahn-Hak"
Now, look at the 3rd hit down from the top.
It's Shawn Cohen's Journal article on the death of Dr. Julia Siverls.
How did that happen? Someone's working overtime?

Ill-Chi, aka Dahnny Boy, clearly just got too big for his britches. That's what almost instantaneous fame and fortune will do for an EARTH HUMAN. In other words, same thing could happen to you or me. It's the EGO that's always at the wheel.

We could pray, those of us that pray, for God to intervene in Dahnny Boy's life in such a way as he will SNAP! I believe he truly was enlightened at some point, probably when he was teaching the one guy Dahn-Hak in the city park for free. He lost his way, that's all. God can fix that. He works in mysterious ways, though...

Of course, that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to sound holier than thou. Yuck! I hate that; it's like when you ask someone how they're doing and they reply, "Blessed!" (sniff) Note: they always sniff afterwards, as if to accentuate the point that I'M BLESSED AND YOU'RE NOT!!!

I'm not as angry anymore. Anger is a killer. They are not going to kill me. End of story.

Cheers!
Dahnbuster

By Stillahealer on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 10:19 am:

Amen Dahnbuster.
You have such clarity of thought and expression.
Keep it going.
Cheers to you.

By Dahnbuster on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 09:24 am:

Cheers to all!

Fresh-ex, everyone, please note: Healer School @ Mago Gardens is NOT! I REPEAT NOT! IN SEDONA!!!!!

That is one of the many, many "misrepresentations of the truth" we are told in Dahn=Hak.

"You are so special, you are so Spiritual, you have great Chungikuin, you have great Chungimein, you MUST GO TO HEALER SCHOOL IN SEDONA."

Sedona is a town, a Municipality if you will...
http://www.visitsedona.com/

Mago Gardens is IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE IN THE HIGH ARIZONA DESERT!!!
You DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT EVEN SEE BELL ROCK Mountain from there!!!
It is at least 30 miles from Sedona, 15 bumpy miles from Cottonwood!
e.g. YOU AIN'T GOING NOWHERE unless you:

a)rented a car, which isn't likely since they PUSH the shuttle to Cottonwood thing so hard, or

b) want to wind up like Julia Siverls!

Please, please, please
do not "feed into" this lie anymore
by referring to Mago Gardens as "Sedona"

And yes I was there, I know what I'm talking about. Anybody else was there and wants to validate the TRUTH?
With my dying breath my last words shall be...
"Mago Gardens is not even NEAR Sedona!"

Sign me,
"No longer geographically impaired"
Dahnbuster

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 06:14 am:

http://www.newdahn.com/usa

Keep checking this site.

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 06:03 am:

One more thing anon. 2:22 P.M>

If you knew ANYTHING about SEX ADDICKS OR SEXUAL ABUSE it has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEAUTY; IT IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL. From what has come to light from people close to Ilchi Lee and other Dahn Yoga insiders; he is a KNOWN Sex Addict.

And who are you to decide who is beautiful or not?? Perhaps Koreans have a different view of beauty than those in the West.
As a Dahn Yoga supporter it surprises me that you would make such a remark about a person. Not a very enlightened statement. Where is your acceptance of WE ARE ALL ONE, even those who do not agree with you or look different?

By fresh-ex on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 11:35 pm:

isn't that in a sense admitting that there really are alot of things going on behind the scenes in the dahn organization? if i was still a member this would concern me greatly. i certainly wouldn't be scrapping about it- i'd be asking more questions.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 10:04 pm:

"...Lee saying no to her advances"

Okay, I misread that. Still, it's no secret that he was arrested for lascivious behavior and was accused of sexual involvement with hundreds of female masters, while he was married too.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 08:54 pm:

"I met Myung Ju Chun or Pineflower as she was called. She was not attractive or young. Downright fugly."

That was MEAN!!!! you sexist pig.

"Her beef with the Dahn probably stems from Ilchi Lee saying no to her advances."

Ahh, so at least you admit the likelihood that he made sexual advances! What the fu...g is "Dr." Ilchi Lee, a married man, great "god" of all his little slave/masters doing making sexual advances to anyone under his employ? On the job, that would be called sexual harrassment. Give the circumstances where Lee established himself as "god," it's criminal for him to exploit his position making sexual advances.

"Not to mention the coup detat she tried to stage in the organization."

Is that what it's called, a "coup," when someone tries to make changes toward more humane treatment of employees/devotees?

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 03:47 pm:

"Caleb - mano a mano. But just another ilchi wannabe with a bipolar streak. I'm sure the pro-dahners will be chased right out of here. congrats. Why not just kill all the Koreans?"

Huh?! This makes no sense at all. Like a bunch of words just strung together.

By Momma on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 03:16 pm:

Anon. 2:24
It could be all of the above. It could be signs of an organization falling apart at the seems. Masters are exhausted and asked to do WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.
Just keep an open mind like you were asked in Shim Sung. If you are reading this board you must have some reservations, or you are a hired hand to do so.

If you stay long enough you will see the truth, not the truth you will find here but the untruth you will find inside Dahn.

Love, Light Always.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 02:29 pm:

Caleb - mano a mano. But just another ilchi wannabe with a bipolar streak.

I'm sure the pro-dahners will be chased right out of here. congrats.

Why not just kill all the Koreans?

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 02:24 pm:

One minute its celibacy, then the next its sex crazed masters. Make up your minds psychos.

We've all had our crushes on our masters. Just because they don't have sex with us doesn't mean they are totally celibate or complete whores.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 02:22 pm:

Please. I met Myung Ju Chun or Pineflower as she was called. She was not attractive or young. Downright fugly. Her beef with the Dahn probably stems from Ilchi Lee saying no to her advances. Not to mention the coup detat she tried to stage in the organization.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 11:54 am:

I don't think we should chase any pro-dahners out of here with harsh criticism. They are YOU, before you saw the truth. They need help. For some reason I didn't find his post to be "angry." I just see a true believer there.

The cult warning lights are flashing and sirens are going off all around us; the signs can't be missed...that is, unless you are vulnerable, like maybe someone with depression, arthritis, parasites, taking a ridiculous amount of medication, and much in need of loving emotional support and regular exercise. Grateful inevitably will experience a very rude awakening about dahn, and may fall much harder even than some people here.

By FunFriday on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 10:27 am:

How wrong one can be

About Ilchi Lee

I thought it was his Ego

Instead it was his Libido

That brought him crashing down

One more time.

Can we guess what date

It will be.

The fall of Ilchi Lee

He couldn’t see it coming

Too wrapped up in his own desires

Killing all the messengers

Can they all be wrong?

Who will fall with him?

Or will they go a scurrying

Out in the real world.

How scary that will be

For Ilch Lee

Who will they bow to

Who will they pray to


Who will they march with

Who will they dance with.

Have they saved enough
Chun Ji In.

You know he owns it.
He created it
Even the

Chun Bu Kuen

Signs his name to it

On stone no less.


That and everything else
God every created.
He did it all with his finger

Pointing to the ONE

Someday he will see

How wrong he can be

Ilchi Lee

By Stillahealer on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 09:33 am:

Thank you anon. 7:43am.
Good news about Jason. He must have been bored out his mind, interpreting all that "stuff". Jason, you are a true professional and I wish you the best in your new life.
You could write a wonderful book.
Best wishes and much happiness.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 07:43 am:

The Korean NEWDAHN has the post that Jason (I don't know what his last name was), Ilchi Lee's interpreter and ghostwriter for many years, quit over a year ago but they were keeping his intranet ID alive in order to make other masters think that he was still working for Dahn. How lame is that? It would be interesting to find out what he realized that made him leave, although my old master told me that Jason wasn't a real Dahn master but just a hired help. He probably got sick and tired of all the lies that he saw as he got higher in the hierarchy.

Also, they posted that Kang Ki Young, an old time Dahn master in Korea who was at one time the head manager of all Dahn business in Korea also quit a few months ago and is now running a Kendo dojo. Since his sister in law is a heavy weight Dahn master in Korea, their relationship is slightly uncomfortable, to say the least.

By caleba76 on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 07:31 am:

Well put HNM and Andrew Nevis, Clockwork, and Fresh-Ex.

By clockwork on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 04:47 am:

Grateful you are a riot!! If I did believe in healers I would not want you as a healer you are one angry, bitter, negetive healer. You must be terrible at what you do!! I have to say though your post was very entertaining, my pals and I read it over a few times and were literally rolling around laughing, thanks for the laughs! Anyway we have heard your whole speal so many times on this board "Catholics are a cult, Jews are a cult.....blah blah blah" that has been said so many times. It is such a boreing argument, churches are free and anyone can go whenever they want you don't have to pay thousands to get throught the door, I don't even know why I would argue with a person like you. I will never take anything you say seriously and you can never hurt me or change my beliefs on Dahn, if anything you solidify my distrust of Dahn, I am sure everyone on this board agrees, also we can whine and complain when we want and how we want, I will always spread the word about the evils of Dahn, nobody like you will ever change that you will only make me work harder at it and also give me and my pals a few hearty laughs! Thanks!!
CLOCKWORK

By fresh-ex on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 01:45 am:

boy, that is one angry healer...
excuse me while i wipe the spittle off my screen!
grateful, you still haven't revealed your name, address and phone number. at least caleb had the guts.
good work, Andrew. i bet the answer to your question will be that lee needs the land for his healing community. i saw pictures of sedona. lovely troughs they have people brushing their teeth in. i never went but alot of my friends did.
(my mother called lee the 45th reincarnation of ding-dong. i thought it was pretty funny!)
Andrew and Stilla- thankyou for taking the time to respond to grateful. i hope that grateful keeps reading, especially back on the board, and going to newdahn.com.

By Andrew Nevis on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 12:52 am:

Grateful, I took your push to double check the records. Maybe Lee had turned a new leaf and was actually concerned about the spiritual? Nope, Lee hasn't changed, but has accelerated his desire to be a feudal lord with land.

Yavapai land records August 25th, 2005

Seung Heun Lee

Property number acres land value 2005
301-06-006 160.00 $46,000
301-09-002Z 159.18 $47,000
301-09-002M 109.23 $45,000
301-10-217 40.14 $24,000
301-17-0017 160.00 $36,000
301-17-0049 61.51 $465 bargain
404-03-105H 23.53 $11,461
405-33-174 .17 $65,000
405-33-175 .17 $65,000

What you see is Lee is taking official ownership of property owned by Br Research Institute and adding a few new properties. Actions here do speak louder than words.

Why does Lee need over 700 acres of land?

On your defending Dahn, there are none so blind, as them who do not wish to see. I pray that changes, there is nothing worse than a life wasted on futility.

By HealerNoMore on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 11:28 pm:

Grateful. They got you real good. You are a dahndroid. You say what they have programmed you to say. Do you have any thoughts of your own?

You are playing their game of victim bashing like a pro. Please read your post and tell me you don't sound like a real cult apologist. The people on this board are not whining. They are pointing out how dahn yoga takes advantage and abuses its members, masters included. Everyone need to be warned of this dangerous group.

When someone decides to be a master it is because the programming of all those previous courses has been successful. If you have read www.newdahn.com you would have seen a partial list of masters who are no longer with dahn. I wonder why this is so? Could it be bad energy or did they no longer believe in a noble cause? I used to believe in a noble cause until I saw them for what they are. The masters will take advantage of you every chance they get. They will dominate your time and try to break apart your family. They will drain your finances as quickly as possible. Why? Because lee demands it.

It has been written that lee and others in the upper echelon of dahn have sexually abused the female masters. lee has also been responsible for acts of violence against dissenters. This is what you are defending.

How about Julia Siverls? Do you think she was willing to give up her life for a phony cause? I don't think so. For you to say or insinuate it is her fault for being weak is absolutely ludicrous. She went on the masters training with the same intention as everyone else who does this training, to help society. The only problem which was uncovered was the fact that dahn does not care about it members. They are disposable. If they cared, Julia would be alive today. Instead, she died because dahn masters are taught to sacrifice their lives for a false god. They left her and the others without sufficient supplies in the desert heat. They were very negligent in their care of those masters in training. I am positive if the masters in training were told what was in store for them they would have refused to go on the hike.

Dedication to a false god. This is the basis of dahn yoga. Have you ever done bow training with lee's picture in front of the room? This is bowing that is specifically done for lee as if he were there. The real brainwashed masters believe he is their god. The other masters who don't believe have already left.

The training you do is designed to make you very susceptible to suggestion. This is how dahn masters get you to do so many things for free. This is how they get you to fly to Sedona so many times. Would you fly on your own dime if your company asked you too? I think not.

Before you make another misguided statement do yourself a favor and research some of the websites posted here. Doing so will give you real enlightenmenment. Dahn is a cult.

By Grateful on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:34 pm:

I'm sorry to read that all of you feel so "wounded" by Dahnhak. The choice was yours, always was. It's too bad you were shown something of yourself you did not like and chose not to change. I've been in Dahn for a year now and it's everything I've been looking for.
If you only came for the classes and exercise 3x a week it was no more than the local workout center classes. The stretching and flexibility would do nothing to your mind.
Certainly, initial awakening was no more than a bit of philosophy mixed with a few challenging exercises. If you hit yourself too hard during the meridian exercises you have no one to blame but yourself. They are your own hands after all.

You get what you put into the classes. If you chose to go all the way to Sedona for healer training, that too was your choice.

I wanted more and have been searching for more than 20 yrs. When I found Dahnhak, I was hurting from arthritis, depression, parasites from a tick, insomnia and migraines. Within 3 wks.I was feeling better. My joint pain was almost completely gone by 6mos.later and I went from 12 medications to 3 within a year. I no longer suffer from depression, insomnia, migraines or any of the above mentioned ailments. I encountered none of the mind control stuff that was mentioned in the postings previously mentioned.

What I did experience was caring guidance on how to take responsibility for my own health by making my body strong.

All of the practices used are based on ancient traditions. It would do you well to do some real research about the origins of these methods. I think you would find that Ilchi Lee did nothing but uncover them and make them available.
The people that choose to become masters, get paid little or nothing for it do so because they believe they are helping to heal the world. A noble cause. All noble causes are done out of love and those that give get little in return.
Look at people who volunteer in soup kitchens. They get nothing in return. It costs them precious time.
Every thing is a cult. Have you looked up the definition of "cult"? Catholicism and Christianity as well as Judaism, Hinduism, Islam.... they are all "cults".

I consciously chose to go to Healer school so that I could learn to give back healing that I personally received. I may not work at a center even though my tuition was subsidized by members who believed that I would benefit from the experience. I know I will use the practices learned to help heal those in need... my family, and my friends.
I do not plan to "sell" Dahnhak. Nor will I sell my worldly goods to go live at Mago Garden in "endless bliss".
I will go on with my life. I plan to live an authentic life not a life filled with petty concerns of how my ego was bruised by a silly remark or a brushing of someones leg against mine. Yes, I was hugged by the masters at Healers School, but I was also hugged by my classmates and even come onto by a confused classmate of the same gender.

I was given a lot to think about... how I look at my life from a victim's point of view and if I want it to change I have to do it... No pain, no Gain. No Action, no Creation. If you've been to healer School you will remember this too.
If the masters made you mad, they did thier job. They made you look at yourself and told you to take reponsibilty for yourself. We usually don't want to hear this. We want someone to take all our pain away for us.

Just remember.... It's all a choice. Even your response. Or lack thereof. I wish you all peace, health and happiness.
A grateful Healer

By Andrew Nevis on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:30 pm:

Side splitter, fearsome me. I have told people around the world, Dahn is a cult. This has always been based on the facts, no bogeymen.
I can honestly call Lee, a shit, because his activities make him one. He can redeem his reputation by making a public confession, but I don't expect that any time soon. Dahn defenders do appear afraid of the truth, as it their organization does stink to high heavens.
Prove me a liar on Dahn, and I'll apologize, but having been there and read the facts, I don't expect to apologize ever.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 08:53 pm:

Thank you Caleb! You're so cool!

anon 10:54

By caleba76 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 08:32 pm:

Wow at work all day and look what has happened.

First off I have removed what comments I can remember posting. I used to post fairly often on different dahn boards so it's difficult to remember what I did when. Secondly others have replied to my posts which I can't remove so alot of times my original post still remains. on the reply.

Now about this

"What a bunch of whiners on this board. Anon Thursday August 25, 2:19 pm."

I for one have always posted with my name and email address. Mostly because I don't fear. Most people that get involved in cults or cult-like oranizations are not weak minded. They just want to believe in something bigger than themselves.

From what I have seen most of the people on this board are really only mad at the aggressive sales tactics and being mislead about what should have been just an exercise class and turned into something more. ie saving the world and lining Mr. Lee's pockets. Most of these people just want to be done with the organization and help other's to stay away.

You on the other hand seem awfully angry at the people on this board. And for you to suggest that no capitalism is allowed for more heightened or enlighted purposes is just wrong. No one is saying that here. But Mr. Lee isn't saying he is in it for the money either. It's the lying inside the dahn organisation that upset me. I wasn't there to line his pocket.

Is world peace a worthwhile goal. Yes. Do I believe Mr. Lee can get us there. Not a chance. That's one of the reason's I left.

So what about yourself. Do you want to come forward and share your personal info. I bet not. Here you go in case you were wondering about me.

Caleb Anderson
Kansas City, Mo
caleba76@yahoo.com
East Meadow and Great Neck New York Dahn Centers when I was active

Now your turn.

By fresh-ex on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 06:36 pm:

Stilla and Light30- you have restored my faith in this board
carry on

By Stillahealer on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 04:06 pm:

"If you really fear Dahn, wouldn't it be better to bait them and see if you receive nasty e-mails?" Anon: 2:19pm.
You go first. Tell us your story about how long you have been involved in Dahn Yoga and what your experience has been and as Fresh -ex indicated give us your contact information.
If you are honest I venture to guess you are a fairly new practioner. Maybe, just maybe if you are mature enough I may reveal my True Self; a Capatilist:, who has made some really bad investments. The money can be replaced, the loss of the dream will take longer.

Love to you.

By light30 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:34 pm:

> What a bunch of whiners on this board. So, dahn might have misled you and charged you too much money. I'm crying for you.

Well. And what is your point? I am personally all for letting people vent, it is very therapeutic.

> You couldn't say "no" and now dahn must pay with tabloid tales about sex and drugs.

I actually found Denver's story beleivable.
I did real yoga before joining Dahn, so I am familar with chakras.
And I did wonder, how is it with all this attention on 2nd chakra, which is responsible for sexuality and sex appeal, Dahn masters are so apprently devoid of any attachments?

> You have constructed a bogeyman because you feel you were made a fool of or because Dahn didn't meet your preconceptions that no capitalism is allowed for more heightened or enlightened purposes.

When you work in Corporate America nobody tells you that you are doing it for the common good, to save humanity. You are quite plainly told that your sole purpose is to increase shareholder's value. That is the difference between the real capitalism and exploitation of well-meaning people.

> Some people used to cling to Dahn, now some cling to the anti-dahn. All the while missing the point that maybe they just don't need any of it.

May be not -)). But all people want to belong. And Dahn left a void, which needs to be filled. With time, it will be filled with other things, not just anti-dahn.

By fresh-ex on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:11 pm:

brave, brave anon... please enlighten us on your enlightened capitalism. i am curious as to what you mean

By fresh-ex on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:02 pm:

anon- are you not anonymous?
what is your name, address, and phone number?
you used a key dahn word- "preconception" which seems to excuse the very worst behaviour imaginable.
you are obviously posting here for one reason- you were assigned to do it, by dahn.
i think you are trying bait people, trying to upset the board. go right ahead. i feel sorry for you.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:19 pm:

What a bunch of whiners on this board. So, dahn might have misled you and charged you too much money. I'm crying for you. You are weak-minded and you transfer your self-loathing onto Dahn in order to avoid responsibility. You couldn't say "no" and now dahn must pay with tabloid tales about sex and drugs. And why is everybody anonymous on this board? If you really fear Dahn, wouldn't it be better to bait them and see if you receive nasty e-mails? And then use them as proof of your point. But you know in your heart they are not that kind of people.

You have constructed a bogeyman because you feel you were made a fool of or because Dahn didn't meet your preconceptions that no capitalism is allowed for more heightened or enlightened purposes. I fear Andrew Nevis more than any of the masters I have met. If you don't tow the anti-dahn line, the fanatics here are ready to jump down your throat and make you believe. Throbbing penis, my ass!

Some people used to cling to Dahn, now some cling to the anti-dahn. All the while missing the point that maybe they just don't need any of it.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 11:43 am:

"It is unfair of people who post as "anonymous" and then try to OUT others."

SAH, if you were talking to me, anon 10:54, when you said this, I don't understand.

Let Caleb answer for himself, why don't you. His messages on that dahn website are not a thing of the past, they are being used right now to promote YEHA. He can remove his messages there with a few clicks of his mouse.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:53 am:

Oops, about the Yoya.com threads on dahn, I posted two of the same threads. Here's the third one:

http://www.yoga.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19619&posts=4

By IWantMyMoneyBackToo! on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:14 am:

Hello, everyone,
Hi and Good for you, Denver!
We are trying to start a yahoo 360 group but very few people have posted their email addys.
It's too time-consuming to be on more than one or two message boards, I think. Life goes on, ya know?
Please keep checking back for more links!
My fellow Dahnbusters, it sure is getting lonesome over at My space Dahnbusters, hint hint.
I had a blog which listed all relavent links and it seems to have disappeared!
Not gonna get paranoid.
Does anybody have all the pertinent links in ONE PLACE???
(the name healernomore come to mind...)
hehe

Cheers to all!
Dahnbuster

By Denver on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 09:43 am:

I was told this morning by phone and in an email that I am getting my money back. He feels that I was harsh in my treatment towards him. He verified my address and said that he will send me a check. He really wanted me to go down to the Center... no way. I talked to one of my girlfriends at work about what happened and she isn't going to go back there again either.

This will likely conclude my messages here. Is there a community boad were everyone will visit and chat up any topic? Knowing everyones opinions on thinga as well as the wishes of good luck are greatly appreciated. Thanks to all.

By Stillahealer on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 07:04 am:

Anon; 10:54pm i.e. regarding taking back postive actions or statements we made on behalf of Dahn Yoga, my response is; "I meant it when I said it"

When I became more aware of how this organization worked, I could no longer support it.

It is unfair of people who post as "anonymous" and then try to OUT others.

By idea on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 06:23 am:

If anyone from the www.newdahn.com/usa site is here, i have an idea that may be useful to those of us in the U.S.

How about posting information about the departure of masters who worked in the U.S.?

It would be helpful to post their real name as well the Anglo names or other names used while here.
Thank You.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 01:04 am:

"Or even worse is someone here trying to get them at all cost?"
"Short answer: Does it matter?"

Uh, yeah, it matters. No one should stoop to that level of deception to "get" anyone. Let the truth and the facts about dahn speak for themselves.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:15 am:

A couple of people could use some firthand information here, if you want to help:

http://www.yoga.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19615&posts=9

http://www.yoga.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19615&posts=8

http://www.yoga.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19604&posts=5

By HealerNoMore on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:14 am:

>For the first time ever, college students can earn college credit for Dahn practice. John Gonzalez, a healer from Olympic Dahn Center in Los Angeles has created a Dahn class at Santa Monica College, CA, where he works as an administrator. The class meets twice a week for 120 minutes, and earns one unit of transferable college credit. The class includes Do-in exercises, breathing, and Yeon-dahn exercises.
Students report improved flexibility, a decrease in health problems, enhanced concentration in their studies, and a more positive outlook on life. Staff members may also participate, like Emerita Felix, a secretary at the college. Suffering from arthritis, the class has helped her to avoid surgery and to become more active with her grandchildren. She especially praises the instructor, whom she describes as “very patient and gentle.” She says, “He sends out a light and peace to everyone.”

In order to establish the class, John simply presented his Advanced Dahn Healing course certificate to the chairperson of the Kinesiology and Dance Department, who welcomed him as an instructor. Through the class, John says he has become more confident in his teaching, and has learned to connect and adjust to the physical condition of the class. In addition, he has connected to his direction in life. He says, “Helping others reach and eventually maintain physical and emotional well-being is what I want to continue to do.”

body & brain Magazine<


Thanks for the link to body and brain Anon 10:54.

I browsed through the site and was quite shocked at how deep this cult will get into mainstream society. I know they were trying to recruit the children of members but it seems they have infiltrated college campuses.Can you imagine a nation of mindless dahndroids? This healer is so proud of his accomplishment. I wonder how he will feel when he wakes up and sees how many people he has hurt by introducing them to dahn practice.

The current members need to ask themselves why there is such a high turnover of members. When they do this simple exercise they should ignore the obvious reasons given by the masters such as bad energy or not ready to grow,etc.

When they do this hopefully they will see dahn yoga for what it truly is, a dangerous cult.

Is it possible to send the college information regarding this cult? Is there a national registry that colleges use to do background checks on groups that are allowed to teach on campuses? We need to let colleges know of the dangers of dahn yoga.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:54 pm:

Caleb, have you considered removing the praiseful messages you had posted on dahn's yeha body and brain website before you saw what they were really about?

http://www.bodynbrain.org/board/messageboard_view.asp?id=48&cpage=1&sel_key=&skey=

By fresh-ex on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 08:08 pm:

Friend, my advice to you would be to be honest with your friend about how you are feeling about their involvement with this cult. i think honesty is always the best route. after i quit, i had plenty of friends who said "well, actually, i thought it was kind of cultish from the start". and i thought, well, why didn't you say something???!!
sit down with them and show them the info yourself. they may not do the research on their own beyond one or two web pages.they are trained to turn a blind eye to all the information available.
i don't know how old your friend is but i can tell you this: if was ten years younger i would have been chewed up and spit out by dahn. i would not have stood a chance. its not weakness or loneliness either (far from it!)- it was a genuine concern for the earth. that's how they got me, then the lies and the brainwashing began.
its very very serious, Friend. good luck and let us know how it goes.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 03:30 pm:

denver, you are a long way from Houston. Today i heard of a similar incident,male master kissing female student. he was hitting on her, just not as blatant as denver posted.
is this the NEWDAHNYOGA?

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 09:10 am:

Friend.
imo, accept where they are, accept the decision they have made, after you have given them the information, pray for them, laugh with them. Remind your friend that you are there for him/her any time, any place. I would not try to pressure them in any way. Give them your phone, email, tell them to call collect, offer a safe place to stay until they get back on their feet. Invite them to an event, the beach, birthday party. Promise not to mention any Dahn Yoga problems, you just love and miss them. Just accept, accept their decision. It is their life not yours, just like one would treat a grown kid.

By friend on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 08:43 am:

what can you do if you have a friend who is deeply involved and you can see how it is hurting them but they do not want to leave. they gave up everything, a good life to be part of a cult.
how do you help someone?

By Mouse on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 11:04 pm:

(DB--you're right, of course, and I don't mean to be a hypocrite. I just hope I'm a little bit wiser today than I was yesterday.)

By do wo me no mo on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 09:31 pm:

I know, it's like, just because he/she is calling herself Denver doesn't mean she is from the Denver Center. A little too obvious I would think for someone who is posting on a message board.\ don't you think?

By dahnbuster on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 08:35 pm:

Cheers, Everybody!

Go Here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Disappearance_of_the_Universe/

Velina, is this what you meant by a Yahoo group?
If so, I think it is a grand idea.


By the bye, why WOULD Denver make this crap up!!??!!)
For example,if I were to make up a tall-tale about Dahn (not necessary, the mere truth suffices!), well, I could tell a much TALLER tall-tale than Denver's!!

It's easy to say, "keep posting, everybody" but if you then publically rebuff something somebody posts, and then others pounce right on top of the "tackle" (you KNOW how that feels!) they're probably not going to keep posting. So who loses?
Everybody loses, because all input is valuable.
As an adult, I decide what to believe/disbelieve for myself. Everything is a perception of an illusion, anyway. Her perception of experience #XYZ was ______. She fills in her own blank, as we all do. And I don't recall Denver asking for anybody's input or feedback.
This Message Board is an open forum with no Moderator. Correct me if I am wrong?;~}

Dahnbuster
dahn_buster@yahoo.com
(underscore)

By caleba76 on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 07:50 pm:

Denver,
I can understand not wanting to go to the authorities, but if no one ever does nothing will ever change. And in effect you would just be letting these same things happen to another person.

It should be everyone's job to try and make sure that these kinds of practices get stopped. Maybe you alone going to the authorities will not change anything but if enough people do we will start to see results.

Once again good luck with it all and I wish you all the best.

By Denver on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 05:17 pm:

Yes, he is definately male. I won't be able to reach him by phone until 7pm. I wasn't planning to go into the Center and now I am leaning more towards the certified letter idea. I would rather him just say that he understands and that he will refund my money. If not, I will post a warning on a local posting site that will actually print my grievances in the newspaper. I would rather go with a peaceful resolution over an agressive and angry one.

I wanted to remain annonomous. Some of you seem like you may have too much time on your hands. Perhaps I used the name Denver since that is where I was born... perhaps? Or maybe the other is true. Either way, I made the initial post so that anyone in my situation would see that they weren't alone. I wanted everyones feedback as well. Oddly I never even thought of going to the authorities with it. I still don't know if I would go that far, however I wish for others to not be subject. I am an optimistic pessimistic person; and introverted extrovert. I understand the scrutiny, but please know that I have better things to do than to make things up. It doesn't matter to me wheter you believe me or not. That is not the point.

By Stillahealer on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 01:27 pm:

Mouse; you are a bright light.
Thanks.

By Mouse on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 01:25 pm:

"Do you think Dahn is posting these messages by Denver to prove how this board can not be believed?
Or even worse is someone here trying to get them at all cost?"

Short answer: Does it matter?
Longer answer: One questionable story this week would not invalidate all of the published articles, training manual excerpts, and matching personal stories that have been posted over the past year. IF the account under debate was posted falsely (and I'm not making that accusation), it may disrupt the board for a little while, but if you scroll past all that, the dirt's still here...as is the advice.

I think the regulars would know better than to try and "get" Dahn by telling tales here; we've discussed before how posting on an anonymous message board doesn't change much of anything. I hope this forum is and remains a good source of information about Dahn Yoga, but none of the stories, links, or other content matter UNLESS AND UNTIL individuals are inspired to take action "in real life". That means cancelling memberships, writing letters, warning others, and in extreme cases, filing lawsuits or police reports. So again, posting BS would disrupt the board a bit, but we'd get back on topic. As we do every time an argument erupts. ;)

Thanks, and keep posting.

By Mouse on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 01:22 pm:

"Do you think Dahn is posting these messages by Denver to prove how this board can not be believed?
Or even worse is someone here trying to get them at all cost?"

Short answer: Does it matter?
Longer answer: One questionable story this week would not invalidate all of the published articles, training manual excerpts, and matching personal stories that have been posted over the past year. IF the account under debate was posted falsely (and I'm not making that accusation), it may disrupt the board for a little while, but if you scroll past all that, the dirt's still here...as is the advice.

I think the regulars would know better than to try and "get" Dahn by telling tales here; we've discussed before how posting on an anonymous message board doesn't change much of anything. I hope this forum is and remains a good source of information about Dahn Yoga, but none of the stories, links, or other content matter UNLESS AND UNTIL individuals are inspired to take action "in real life". That means cancelling memberships, writing letters, warning others, and in extreme cases, filing lawsuits or police reports. So again, posting BS would disrupt the board a bit, but we'd get back on topic. As we do every time an argument erupts. ;)

Thanks, and keep posting.

By CLOCKWORK on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 11:31 am:

THIS ANON SEEMS SLIGHTLY ANGRY, WHY?

By fresh-ex on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:52 am:

anon- you never answered my questions.
dahn shuffles their masters around quicker than cards in a casino, particularly when there is trouble. he is probably already gone.
anyways, is that your center? are you an active member?

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:29 am:

Fresh ex.
are you aware of any male masters in Denver? if there are none, it could not have happened; right!!!

By fresh-ex on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:24 am:

anon 8:52- i sure hope you know what you are talking about. do you know this woman? do you go to her center? if i was that close, i'd be trying to help, not shove her off.
regarding dahn being victimized- people post here because their lives have been devastated by dahn. here we go again.
dahn is a dangerous cult.

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:20 am:

Do you think Dahn is posting these messages by Denver to prove how this board can not be believed?

Or even worse is someone here trying to get them at all cost?

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 08:52 am:

One small problem with Denvers post. There are no male instructors there. Let's not make dahn the victim folks.

By caleba76 on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 08:31 am:

Denver,

Just wanted to say good luck as well. When you ask for your money back please be firm and stay in the common area's with other people. Hope everything goes well.

caleba76

By clockwork on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 07:12 am:

HI DENVER,

IT MUST BE HARD TO READ ALL OF THE POSTS THAT RESPONDED TO YOUR ORIGINAL POST. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GO BACK, IT IS SO ODD WHEN YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH SEXUAL ADVANCES THAT YOU DON'T WANT, IT IS SO HARD TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELF, YOU FEEL AS THOUGH MAYBE YOU ARE TO BLAME OR MAYBE YOU IMAGINED IT. BUT IT IS SO COMPLICATED FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN YOUR SHOES, I WISH YOU ALL OF THE LUCK AND STRENGTH. I HOPE YOU GET YOURSELF OUT ASAP! KEEP POSTING PLEASE.

By Denver on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 06:22 am:

Each and every one of you sound like wondeful people in your own way. This is the first moment that I have had a chance to go back to this post. I am floored by the the responses. The center master actually left a message for me on my phone last night. (I wasn't here) I got home too late to call him. I want to try the less evasive way to get my money back, as I haven't asked for it yet. I also agree with contacting the authorities. I happen to have phone numbers of two other female members. I want to find out if anything similar has happened to them. I have to run now. I plan to call the center tonight. I will write more this evening... should be around 7:30pm Denver time.

Thank you all for sharing your opinions.

~ Denver

By HealerNoMore on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:36 pm:

Love bombing techniques are when the masters tell you how special you are and hug you all the time as a way to show they love you. The hugs are very close and personal and not sexual. They pay extra attention to you. You get special training sessions and get to go to lunch or dinner with them. You start to think they actually do love you and that is when you are caught in the trap.

Once you are caught in the trap the money flows out of your pockets and there is no stopping it. You begin to do special favors for them because you love them and they "love" you. Members have donated money,cars,cell phones,school space,and lots of their time thinking that the love they felt was real. It is not. This is all an act to manipulate you into submission.

The masters are very good actors. There is a program from New Human School where the masters teach you to laugh and cry on command. This technique will be used against you at some point in time. If you are doing what they want they will laugh with you and say they "love" you. If you do not do what they want, they will cry if necessary and, you will do what they want because you will not want to see someone you love cry.

There are some other things I probably forgot, but you get the point.

Anything the masters tell you should be viewed with extreme suspicion because their only purpose is to be a slave (sexual or otherwise) to lee and to make him a very rich man.

By Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 05:59 pm:

what are love bombing techniqes?

By HealerNoMore on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 02:30 pm:

>By Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 01:35 pm:


Has anyone else had their master make a move on them?<


No. The love bombing techniques don't count.

I can only imagine the fall out the aggressive male master would cause within the region. I would guess he was transferred ASAP.

I wonder if there is a punishment he will receive beyond bow training and youn dan(holding postures for time)? Besides releasing the bad energy and being monitored very closely so it does not happen again.

By Mouse on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 01:56 pm:

Oh, looky, the octopus grew another arm! Regarding the Healing Family Campaign/World Healing Family Association: Why yes, they DO "sponsor" their own operations. (This is the first time I've actually looked it up; sorry if everybody already knows this. ;)

http://www.dahnyoga.com/dahn/partners.asp

The information given online sounds like standard Dahn Yoga programming, but it's reworded a bit to appeal to families instead of individuals. Human Technology, Earth Humans, Brain Respiration, etc. are mentioned throughout the site. Oh, and can't forget the videos that "prove" that the system works! Yech. The more you browse, the creepier it gets.

http://www.healingfamily.org
http://www.healingfamily.org/about.asp (Note the three goals stated at the bottom of the page--sound familiar?)

So... yeah. Cult indoctrination for the whole family! Clever marketing ploy, or response to bad PR? It was last updated in April, so no telling how much support this actually gets.

By Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 01:35 pm:

Has anyone else had their master make a move on them?

By HealerNoMore on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:54 pm:

I just read something on the dahn website.

"Proud sponsor of the healing family campaign"

Is this a joke? They aren't healing any families, they are breaking them up. They encourage members to join a cause which lee invented to make himself rich. They send these members all over the country and the world to keep them at a good distance from their families and friends. They are required to work many, many hours per week with no real compensation.They are kept dependant on lee and dahn for everything and as we have seen on other postings they are required to buy lee's books with their own money.

How does lee justify this statement when he is in fact a sexual predator?

Can dahn be sued for false advertisement? I believe there will be a time very soon when lee and dahn are sued for sexual harassment and rape. This is America and after reading what happened at that large financial firm recently I think dahn will be next.

dahn yoga is a dangerous cult. lee is a sexual predator. Be Aware! Don't be their next victim.

By Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 11:21 am:

Someone, a teacher, engages in unwanted sexual contact with you in a private room. He "ushers" YOU out, rather than you getting the hell out of there. You, at a later time, take his hand and allow him to lead you to that same private room to "show you" something. You lie down?! You wait there while he lies down next to you to press his "throbbing penis" against you?! You don't move away because suddenly you are aware that he is so strong?! You keep going back there?!

Excuse me, but does that sound credible?

Someone is a bit too overzealous in making up stories here. Isn't Dahn bad enough that people can tell their own real stories?!

By light30 on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 10:22 am:

> I have to ask why were you there on a Sunday? Were there classes being held? Most masters are working on training programs or some other dahn related work. They don't get Sundays off like normal people. They are slaves.

Our center is often open on Sundays, exactly for that reason. Masters don't get Sunday off, so they are working in the center.

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 09:56 am:

HealernoMore- yikes!! i agree about the kool-aid. those pictures were very disturbing. anyone who can talk people into buying his books so he doesn't have to worry about is sales is clever indeed. more importantly, the general public won't be reading it! nobody will question his writings if they are sitting in boxes in members houses. that's how he can publish lies and get away with it, like his false claims about addressing the UN. there is only one store in my town that carries one of his books and guess what? a member works at the store.
(sigh) i apologize if i have been defensive everyone. i just don't know where this board is going. it was a great source of support and information for me when i quit the organization. i spent a few minutes again reading way back onto the board this morning. it is different now.
my center was open pretty much everyday. if not for classes, for a meeting, a special event, open house, anything to keep people going everyday.
i don't think dahn is keeping an eye on their masters at all... i still don't think denver's story is far-fetched. but i guess if this is the general attitude i will be surprised to see her post here again.
breakdown

By HealerNoMore on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 08:07 am:

Regarding Denvers experience.

I have to ask why were you there on a Sunday? Were there classes being held? Most masters are working on training programs or some other dahn related work. They don't get Sundays off like normal people. They are slaves.

Please take the advice offered here and call the authorities. Write a letter to dahn headquarters as well. But not before the authorities are notified because they will transfer the master in question or try to manipulate you out of pressing charges.

If this master is so aggressive in his actions then he is very dangerous. Most masters or normal people would never do this.

There is plenty of sexual energy surrounding the masters. This is one of the ways use they control the members.

Good Luck!

By HealerNoMore on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:52 am:

There is a new update on www.newdahn.com/usa.(Pandora's Box)

The headbands are very disturbing. It kind of reminds me of a war movie with Kamikazi's.

It is also disturbing how lee gets his brainwashed masters to pay for his books out of their own pocket so that he can achieve his vision. (Remember, if you don't have a vision you can use his.) This is more of the brainwashing and manipulation that goes on in dahn yoga.(Remember it is more than just yoga.)

Anyone who thinks still thinks this is a yoga and fitness class is fooling themselves. It is time to wake up to the reality. I see this group future drinking alot of cool aid in the foreseeable future.

lee used to tell us that when he dies he will be cremated and have his ashes spread out under a Juniper tree in mago garden.(Juniper Tree Ceremony) His soul will then go to Bell Rock and wait for his masters to join him. he will wait there for 100 years and then take them to a special place. (HELL)

Why is anyone still joining this place with all of the new information which is available? I feel pity for the masters who are still there. They are trapped in what they believe is a worthy cause. The only worthy cause is to put lee in jail where he belongs.

The reason most masters are broke is because they must always use their own money first. Most times they will not get reimbursed for their expenses. lee will find a way to get every last penny. Would you work for a company where you must buy your own pencils,pens paper to do the job? I don't think so. This is strictly a cult thing forced on the workers of dahn yoga. It is illegal.

I think the Siverls family should ask for $200 miliion dollars for the death of their daughter Julia.


Please do your research regarding this dangerous group.

By light30 on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:46 am:

Denver's experience sounds true to me as well.
However, I am wondering where were the other masters at the time? Usually, there is no privacy in Dahn centers.

Anyway, Denver, don't even think about going back there. You'll just get yourself in more trouble. I can't beleive you went for 2 weeks after the first incident.

As for dating a master, masters at Dahn are not in a position to date or marry anybody, they are not free and they have nothing to offer.

The money is probably lost, unless you'll write a certified letter as someone suggested. You can also block this particular charge on your credit card by calling the credit card company and disputing it, then the credit company will deal with Dahn. Of course, you'll have to give them good reasons why this charge is not valid.

By do wo me no mo on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:33 am:

well, i guess it seems like a lot of people have been posting things that happened and it was only when it was something like this that people started to question and doubt her. as though things like this do not happen because they do. Look at the Catholic church scandal. I do not think it is a Dahn practice. It could happen in any organization if someone is a sexual predator but I am quite sure Dahn is not above it. Quite the opposite when the lunatics are running the asylum.

By caleba76 on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:25 am:

Love you Mouse

By Momma on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 05:51 am:

Aon: 7;21pm.

No trash talking please.

By Mouse on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:56 pm:

Er, Do wo me, I AM a woman. If this person were standing in front of me telling the story, I wouldn't doubt her for a second. My skepticism stems from observing a number of situations on message boards and chats where I found out after the fact that facts and identities had been misrepresented (dishonesty in online dating, making up injuries, etc.). Of course, that's nobody's fault here, and sometimes things really ARE what they seem...I dunno. The described incident would be a horrible thing to happen to anyone, and I apologize if I came across as insensitive.

Fresh-ex, I don't think ANYONE is saying that such an incident should go unreported! A number of people have posted advice about contacting police, getting refunds, etc. The point several of us are trying to make (I think?) is that justice doesn't get served from a message board. We can cheer her on (and react to her story, and argue with each other about it...) online, of course, but she's gotta pick up the phone.

So anyways, um.... Denver, are you out there? Please keep posting and let us know how you're doing.

[D'oh, Caleb posted first.]

By caleba76 on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:30 pm:

The question is though has it been reported. Denver hasn't posted anything saying that she went to the authorities.

Posting here is all well and good but it is anonymous. No one knows who did it or who it happened to. So please forgive some people for being skeptical.

In all my time in Dahn I never saw anything remotely like this happen and I admit I am skeptical about this incident. Not to say that it didn't happen or that it doesn't go on inside the organisation. It just seems to me to be very fast for the master to have singled her out.

Not just that but also to keep pursuing after she had rejected him.

Me I think the best thing for Denver to do is to report everything to the proper authorities, ie Police Department, as well as The State Attorney General's Office, and even the Better Business Bureau.

Not reporting it is to say that it never happened and to let it continue on to the next victim.

Just my two cents

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 08:30 pm:

do wo- i agree. what is this???
that is what i'm talking about my friends. don't believe her, and let it keep happening to other people, going unreported.
what about all that information we've been sharing? is it not valid now?
i am confused

By me so horny on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 07:21 pm:

Stilla - I love you but what planet are you on. Dahn masters are a bunch of frigid and sexually repressed juveniles. Throughout the ages "master",teachers , priest, rebbi's have been taking advantage of those they seek to enlighten. Dahn uses sexually energy to repress and manipulate there master's all that "I'll heal ya baby". They do it to each other so what makes you think they wouldn't try there lovin on a member. Believe me 10 out of 10 women have an unwanted forceful advance made on them.

What events are you going to?

All they have is the energy, cause baby there not having sex.

By Stillahealer on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 05:46 pm:

From my experience with Dahn Masters they would be much mort subtle than Denvers experience. That is unless they are turning out masters like an asembly line with no quality control.
Yes, there may be Sex and Power and Money at the top. They usually go hand in hand. For a new member to be accosted in that way is a stretch for me.
As usual I am just drawing from my own experiences. One of the things I loved about Dahn functions was the lack of sexual energy to muddy up the event.

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 05:23 pm:

i have been thinking about Denver's post alot this afternoon (sorry about that spelling mistake by the way- i didn't want to appear sloppy discussing such a serious incident).
it doesn't sound far-fetched to me. i thought about all the problems i've had with everything from chiropractors to teachers. i look back and realize that when a person has been treated innapropriately throughout their lives (like i have) i just didn't know when the line was being crossed. i would get quiet when i should have been screaming. but i grew up thinking from an early age that if i got unwanted "attention" from a man, i had brought it on myself. and they were always in some position of authority.
i never said anything because i didn't think anyone would believe me.
Denver, please report this immediately. you are innocent.

By do wo me no mo on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 05:08 pm:

What is this ?
When a woman says she is abused why do you immediately doubt her?

WOMEN ARE NOT GUILTY FOR VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY MEN ON OUR BODY, MIND, AND SPIRIT. THIS VIOLENCE HAPPENS BECAUSE OF MEN'S GREATER POWER AND THEIR MISUSE OF THAT POWER.

By Mouse on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 04:32 pm:

I don't really know what to say about Denver's post... I don't want to withold my support if she's telling the truth, but some of the details make it sound far-fetched. Let's just say I hope you told the authorities about it before you told us! And I do hope you're all right. :/

So for those of us who, for whatever reason, want a refund but don't want to (or shouldn't) set foot in the center again... Just a reminder that you CAN request your money back by letter (via certified mail, get a return receipt, etc). I think someone posted contact information on this board; push ctrl + F and type in "Quan Tae Kim" to find that post, if you're viewing this with Internet Explorer. You could also probably address it to your local center, unless it's the headmaster him/herself is the problem. But if you request a refund in writing and briefly explain why (with courtesy copies to the BBB and/or state AG, if applicable), odds are good that you'll get it.


(BTW, there appears to be another mousie on the board, which is fine ^_^ as long as everyone understands that "Mouse" and "one_mouse" are different people.)

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 01:36 pm:

Denver, you can do an experiment, if you're curious about your master. Go with his sexual prelude, but refuse to spend any money and see what happens.

They pick certain type of people with certain inclination. For those it'll be very difficult to refuse their suggestions because they appear they truely care about you and your soul's growth. Because they're so convinced that these will help you to find your true self and become a healer of the humanity, it may seem very complelling. I thought I found something truely meaningful. These all sound good. But after spending much time and money with the organization, many realize that "finding your true self" means erasing your preconceptions and replace them with Lee's own programs in your brain, which is to live for the vision of the Dahn world, which is to make more money to open more centers. Living only for "the vision" of Dahn is the only way to evolve your soul energy and nothing else matters. That's all it eventually amounts to - To make more money to open more centers. It's all for their self interest. I havn't seen or heard of anything they have done that is not for their own self interest - their money, power, growing business and influence.

To achieve their "vision" - which is to open more centers - they need money and people to become healers/masters. They will do/say/sell anything, including their own body and soul, to attract people and get what they need.

By dahnbuster on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 12:04 pm:

Dear Denver,

What you described is clearly sexual molestation of the worst kind. That man is a predator. Their lifestyle sets it up, but don't make excuses for him, for you, for Dahn, for anybody. Just calmly report the whole incident to the police and your local District Attorney.
This is akin to a Gynecologist molesting a patient during an "exam". It's a big breach of trust and a form of RAPE. Pleaaaaaaaaze. Do not keep this quiet. Everything happens for a reason. It's time for Dahn to pay the Fiddler; they've danced all night!

Courage and Cheer to you,
Dahnbuster
e-mail addy: dahn_buster@yahoo.com

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:41 am:

Their role model is their grand master Lee, who is known to be grand woranizer with his female subordinates. Once brainwashed, people completely loose their ability to make judgements and common senses. That's why the organization exists today. The group is a collection of people, who had been brainwashed when they were young, inexperienced, simple minded, and searching.

Their job is to make you feel very special and loved. They will want to connect with you on an emotional level with personalized attention and they are pretty good at that. It can be hard to resist if you are in a state where you need those. But please remember they ultimately use you and there are so many people saying the exactly the samething. You need to find out why.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:18 am:

Denver,
You say "I'm not interested in dating my teacher".

First of all he is NOT a 'teacher'. They are people who know how to pretend. It's all pretension and making appearances. Don't be mistaken real "teachers" don't work for such a immoral criminal organization. They're prostitutes. They sell attention and fake love to weak and lonely people to get their money and free labor and expand their empire. What they're interested in is making money and recuiting people. They must have spotted you as a potential target, a master/healer material. Take advise.

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:05 am:

denver- when a woman has been sexually saaaulted, sometimes it helps to tell your doctor what happened. i was not assaulted at my center (no male masters)in that way, but i told my doctor and my family about all my terrible experiences there. it was reported to authorities. you must make an official complaint for anything to be done about it. good luck. please stay on the board.
i had a dream that my female masters were telling me about sexual slavery, but that it wasn't that bad... i dreamt that long before all the assaults started coming out. it is shocking.

By Stillahealer on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 09:35 am:

Denver,
I am conflicted. If your story is true take advise given and report immediately to the police and everyone else in your district. I can not imagine returning to a place where such things happened. And believe me I have put up with my fare share of inappropriate behavour myself in my lifetime.
This is over the top. he needs to be stopped now rathar than posting on anon. message board.

Good luck.

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 09:23 am:

Denver- i wish i was there for you right now. please call the police and the media. get all your money back and if he says no, explain the consequences, including deportation. get all your money back, gather your things and get out of there. he sounds quite bold, quite dangerous. what a horrible experience for you.
this could be happening to alot of other women at your center. please report him immediately.
dahn is a cult.

By one_mouse on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 09:01 am:

oh my...
I am sure that jerk doesn't have green card to stay legally in America.

By Denver on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 07:30 am:

Hi,

After attending a "free" class and being singled out by the Dahn Master afterwards, I was coerced into purchasing a years membership at a disocunt (900+ dollars). This went on my credit card so that I can make payments. A few visits later the Dahn Master said that I needed a private class. On a Friday while the regular vibrating class was going on, he had me lay down on the floor in this little room. He massaged me, concentrating on my belly. Then he sat at the top of my head. I opened my eyes for a moment and he was staring at me. I quickly closed my eyes. Then he kissed me. I pushed him away and siad that it was wrong. He tried to kiss me again, I again pushed him away. He ushered me out before the actual class was over. The next time that I showed for class, he apologized and said that I really needed his help. He said that he had never done anythng like that in 6 years and that he had never been with an american woman. He asked I meet him when he has more time, he had an elixir for me to try for my stomach problems. I went by on Suday to pick it up. It was expensive - 40.00. At first he seemed very remorseful of his actions, seemed deeply concerned about me. Then he said that he wanted to show me something. He took my hand and lead me into that room. He lay next to me with his penis throbbing... I was scared to move; he is so strong. I played out a role where I told him it just wasn't right for him. I got out of there and attended class 2x in the past week and a half. He doesn't hide his feelings for me when he is around others... I am not interested in dating my teacher, nor someone who is over 12 years older than I am. He is constantly trying to get me to buy more things that I can't afford. I really want my money back and to never go there again. I was made to feel as if I was special, and in believing in myself, I did experience some wonderful "gifts" but I don't feel that this had anything to do with this Dahn center.

~ Denver

By Dahnbuster on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 02:30 pm:

Reading between the lines of Dahn marketing...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How about the brochure for Healer (Schmeiler) School, where the photo shows two big-smilin'
ladies with the OCEAN as a backdrop?? In ARIZONA?

Fasti is a DOCTOR, right??? So is Ilchi Lee!
Please, Fasti's a !@#$%^& Dentist; so he knows about teeth. BFD.
Even My defective B.S. detector picked up on that one...
All this COERCED publicity.
It's a lot like myspace, with the teenagers "Be my friend, comment me, join my group..."
Same mentality: "all I am is what YOU SAY I AM."
Mouse is absolutely right about Dahn vs. real Yoga, in Dahn if your frickin' head falls off, they call it a "healing sign".

Speaking of Myspace, any more links? Any more articles? What news? There is a Korean Anti-Dahn newpaper article that needs to be translated, any volunteers???
See Andie Nevis for details!

Love,
Dahnbuster

http://blog.myspace.com/dahn_busters

http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS

http://www.myspace.com/dahn_busters

700 people have viewed my site.
I want to spread the word "BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY..."

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 01:38 pm:

Reading between the lines of Dahn marketing...

Dahn brochure quotes Dr. Albert Fasti under this title: (caps are mine) "OVERCOMING diabetes and heart disease"

(excerpts)

"I was also prone to heart attacks."

"My blood sugar is now under control."

"The thing that impressed me was that I do not run. I do my BR pracice only."

This makes it sound like Dr. Fasti's diabetes and heart disease were cured with BR training and that he had heart attacks before.

BUT, THE LONGER VERSION of his own story, found online (archived now by google), includes these statements:

"I WAS DEVELPING A THING CALLED SYNDROME X WHICH MAKES YOU PRONE TO HEART ATTACKS."
Ohhh, so now we see he was not prone to heart attacks at all, just had risk factors. And he doesn't say he ever had heart disease or a single heart attack.

"I do ride my bike sometimes."
So we see he didn't "just" do BR.

"I have no delusions about curing my diabetes because once you have it, you have it and the best you can do is control it."

So, we see he didn't exactly "overcome" his diabetes either.

On that same page:

"A DEVOTED HEALER"
(caps are mine)
"Terry Ferro is a wonderful friend and fellow Healer School student. We have been on the same path for awhile now. Terry is a teaching assistant and THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THE MAYORS OFFICE TO ISSUE A PROCLAMATION DECLARING DR. ILCHI LEE AN HONORARY CITIZEN OF HOUSTON AND GOOD WILL EMBASSADOR FOR THE CITY."

So we get a clue to how Dr. Lee "won" that honor. I wonder how she did it. Does anyone here know?

By Mouse on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 01:11 pm:

"In most regular yoga classes I've taken, a lot of the poses are painful, but they help you to build flexibility and strength."

Well, yes, but I draw a distinction between muscle fatigue and stretching discomfort, and actual pain. If it leaves visible welts or bruises, or it still hurts after you stop, then you should be seriously asking if the pose/exercise/whatever is good for you or not. (BTW, if a particular yoga pose is just not good for you, a good instructor should be able to suggest an alternate pose.)

I guess I'm cranky about that part because I actually got bruises from the different tapping exercises (in so-called Dahn Yoga), as well as knee pain from some of the poses, and they just told me I should do MORE of those exercises to get rid of the "stagnant energy". Thank God for my BS detector. :P

By dahnbuster on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 12:20 pm:

I NEED LINKS!

BY http://www.newdahn.com/usa

http://www.rickross.com/groups/dti.html

http://www.wholehealthclinic.com/discus2/messages/5/172.html?1080067411

http://selectsmart.com/ilchilee.html

http://www.yogabasics.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=y03,v=display,m=1112215730,s=0


Can anybody think of any others????

Heye, the Wiccans got my back, WHEEEEEEE!
love, dahnbuster

By fresh-ex on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 08:23 am:

the exercises aren't the problem - that is how most people get drawn in. if one is aware of what dahn does to people they have a responsibility to themselves, and their families, to walk away from this destructive organization. not just stay for the exercise.

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 07:28 am:

have any of you been to the ilchi academy website lately? It is really scarey particularly a woman on message boards who is having a terribly dark time as she makes the decision to give up her life for the vision. I wish there were a way to get her to this site! It is painful to read her experiences

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 07:06 am:

A bit more on Dahn selling to the foreigner in Korea. They are listed as #33 in an English tourist booklet about a 100 things to do in Seoul. This fits with a tourist visit to a Dahn center in Seoul, minimium 2 people advertised on the net.
What these tourist guides miss is that a couple of politicians associated with Dahn in 2002, where arrested this summer on corruption charges. Did these men loose their Dahn ethical edge?

By Dahn member on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 04:33 am:

"tell you that painful poses are good for you"

I'd have to disagree on this point.
In most regular yoga classes I've taken, a lot of the poses are painful, but they help you to build flexibility and strength.

By light30 on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 12:55 pm:

> -expect you to bow, hug and address him/her in another language
-tell you that painful poses are good for you
-incessantly ask for money or pressure you to accept additional services

I think you summarized pretty well the most annoying things -)).

Yes, and it isn't yoga , that is true. It is closer to the Chinse Qi gong, if anything.
And some excercises are pretty widely known, typical stretching you can find in your local gym.

But, excercise in itself is OK. Except, why call it yoga, when it is not? This is something I have a problem with as well.

By Mouse on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 11:34 am:

Yogachick--I'm relieved that you're not into the "philosophy", but it sounds like you specifically want a reputable YOGA class...and that's not what they teach there. I'm not The Yoga Expert (tm), but "Dahn Yoga" is, in most respects, unrelated to any accepted style of yoga that I'm aware of. Some of the poses *might* be appropriated from hatha yoga, but the class format itself (to say nothing of the goals of the organization!) is completely different from any real yoga class I've attended. The Dahn center may be conveniently located, but there have GOT to be better classes in your area that actually teach yoga... most likely at a fraction of the price!

I encourage you to open the phone book and find a yoga teacher who doesn't
-expect you to bow, hug and address him/her in another language
-tell you that painful poses are good for you
-incessantly ask for money or pressure you to accept additional services

You can also see if your local gyms offer yoga classes. Mine does, and it's free as part of my gym membership ($30/month)!

By Dahn member on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 08:36 am:

oops.
http://myspace.com/dahn_member

By Dahn member on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 08:34 am:

http:///myspace.com/dahn_member

I think Bomo said it- they don't offer programs for those who are financially weak (groups, etc.)
They only have centers in upper-middle class cities/suburban areas.
Notice how there are no centers in Nebraska, Kansas, Kentucky, Tennesee, etc. They see these people as poor, and therefore, not ready to be enlightened. And in places like California and New York, these are just goldmines for people who are searching for spirituality, new-age crap, yoga, veganism, hippy-stuff, you name it, whereas in Kansas, they'd probably describe Yoga as "a bunch of hoo-hah for those latte-drinking tree huggin stars in Hollywood".

But come to think of it, Dahn Yoga might actually make profits in those states, because they might be the only "yoga" centers around for MILES!
Whereas, Dahn Yoga places its centers in areas where you can find yoga centers EVERYWHERE.
It would be profitable, not to mention more dangerous to the people in the Dahn-neglected states were they to establish centers there, because Dahn Yoga would be there only source to "yoga" and "new-age- type things".

Sorry, I just got to thinking a lot.

By Momma on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 08:33 am:

Yogachick; Run don't walk back in there and get your $150.00 returned. Return the uniform and book (if you can fetch from the garbage).
Just tell them you found out is is not yoga at all and a front for a scam.

By do wo me no mo on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 07:27 am:

hi yoga chick

I understand what you are saying but Dahn is not really yoga it is a cult with yoga as a front.
I do not know where you live but there must be an alternative.

it is like, if I found out the local supermarket was loweing its prices because they were using slave labor - do i still shop there because it is convenient? you gotta take a stand sometimes for other people.

By YogaChicknotCultee on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 05:42 am:

So, I wanted to take some Yoga to relax and get in shape. The local Dahn place is 3 blocks from my house. I went, they were very nice and I signed up for a month for $150. I got the uniform and he gave me a book, which I basically chucked. I just want some damn yoga classes, that's al. Not into the philosophy, not into a cult, etc. I will keep you all posted as this progresses over the next month.

By dahnbuster on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 11:31 pm:

Thanks, Mouse.
I already posted the links to Civil Case and NewDahn... So did DahnMember. Hmmmm, If they're really interested they will go there, (to the websites) I just have to accept the fact that I can't copy and paste the whole world wide web!

Hey! New DAWN, I just got that!
<3,
dahnbuster

By HealerNoMore on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 11:23 pm:

I just thought of one of the first ways that dahn starts to brainwash you into compliance.

Does anyone here remember washing the floor after class? How often do you wash the floor of your house? Are you on your hands and knees with a dirty rag? They won't even let you use a mop because it is an "energy" thing.

How many other ways can you remember giving up your independant thought?

By Mouse on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 11:13 pm:

As I understand it, a PDF file is a scanned image of an actual piece of paper, not a file that contains actual text. Therefore, you usually can't highlight and copy parts of the text, as you could from a text-containing file (such as this page). What you CAN do is provide a link to the PDF. There may also be a way to display it as you would a graphic, but 1) I don't know how, and 2) it might take too long to download for a passing reader to bother with it.

(That's a big problem with MySpace, actually... people pretty up their sites with huge pictures and weird-colored fonts without considering things like readability and the audience's crummy bandwith. At least NewDahn's flash show is relatively uncluttered.)

By dahnbuster on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 09:12 pm:

Help! Help!
Does anybody know how to 'copy and paste' a PDF file??
That fat little hand is not cooperating!
I want to paste the Civil Case on my website; to showcase the FAMILY'S perspective...
Tweeked again!
http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS

In honor of Julia,
Dahnbuster

By Dahnbuster on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 08:37 pm:

Just visited NewDahn:

"Once again, from now on, whoever found Dahn as a religion is not an enlightened person
but a fraud. You must keep yourself away from him/her...?"
Ilchi Lee

WOW! He said it HIMSELF. Incredible!
The 3-year plan is an eye-opener.
This is so George Orwell it's not even funny.
I need to start writing letters to my Rep./Senator/A.G.
Good luck to everybody!
Dahnbuster


Nice tae have yae bak, Mt. Fuji Boyae.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 03:26 pm:

Anyone considering a membership in Dahn Yoga should please read the NewDahn site. If you still wish to give your hard earned money to a cult that sexually abuses its female masters, be forewarned. Knowledge is Power, not just information as lee states. He wishes to keep you ignorant while taking your last nickel.

By Momma on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 03:12 pm:

http://www.newdahn.com/usa

This site is full of facts. When will main stream media check this out? America you are asleep at the wheel.

By HealerNoMore on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 02:27 pm:

Check out www.newdahn.com/usa

They posted a list of former masters and why they left the organization.

This shows even more lies put forth by a supposed enlightened man. What it really shows is how big of a liar lee really is and everyone should be warned of this dangerous organization.

If there are still doubters out there you need to get your head out of the dirt and pay attention before you get hurt.


Spread the word!!!

By Bomo on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 07:44 am:

Dahnmember -
Andrew Nevis gave such great advice.
It is a big adjustment that you have to do.
To some extent you are subject to reverse psychology right now - it makes DAHN seem more desirable/attractive now that they have rejected you. Same as applies to a jilted lover.
Make a list of all the good things about being out.

As for 'bad energy' - it is a cop-out.
Do you expect them to tell the others that you came to your senses?
I remember staffing a public event in which Dahn people ( masters, healers, other dahn member volunteers) essentially over-ran the event, invading the personal space of other exhibitors, littering the place with flyers, accosting people at every turn - to the point that organisers asked them to send some of us home.
The response from a master in attendance was that they were jealous of us. There was no admitting that we made others uncomfortable, and that we were indeed a little disrespectful by being so overwhelmingly ubiquitous within the limited exhibition space.

By Andrew Nevis on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:34 pm:

Dahn member by now you should realize we care. As one person posted, a new door has opened for you. It's always harder to leave something when your pushed, but this is for the best.
You've been pushed from prison,"free, free."
Okay, it'll take time for you to celebrate. Mark the calendar the day you leave Dahn and plan on a party with friends on the anniversary date. You are so much better off outside Dahn.
Make a list of positive things to do, and then take the next year doing them.
Also do have fun. Make them bone computers.(new product line) Place whoppi cushions in public places or on this board. Distribute Lee dart boards and call it brain qi voodoo.
Lastly do take care of yourself. Help us warn other people, but in a warm and fun way.

By HealerNoMore on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 05:25 pm:

Dahnmember,

Don't take it personally. I have seen them "remove" members that they did not like. They have a subtle way of making the targeted member feel like S***t and leaving. I have seen this with healers as well as regular members. The speech is the same, "So and So had bad energy and there was nothing we could do to help, blah,blah,blah.

If they feel they are unable to make you fit their restrictive mold they have no use for you. Remember it is about them controlling you and getting your money.

On the bright side, at least you did not waste too many years of your life in a fog thinking you were helping people, while they slowly drained the best years of your life away.

When one door closes another opens. Good Luck with your future prospects. You are only limited by your own thoughts. Do what you want to do and be happy.

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 03:37 pm:

oh yeah, anon, i remember signing one of those employee at will statements.
i'm not so good with tax forms and stuff. i tend to just get a job and do my best and, consequently, have never been fired.
but they didn't fire me anyway; they just expressed the fact that they didn't think i should keep working there.
i guess i could have fought, but then again, why would you want to stay somewhere that you are not wanted?

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 03:34 pm:

they didn't fire me... they just said that i was not "contibuting good energy" to the center by my activities.
basically suggesting that I should leave.

oh- momma, the JWJN is a female and the SBN is a female but I don't talk much to the other male master, who is fairly new.
Maybe that's why he told me that? Because he wasn't really close to me, as the JWJN and the SBN are (or..WERE).

Anyway, I guess I could have stayed but who would want to in those conditions?

I remember you guys saying that Dahn Yoga does not fire their employess but finds ways to have them resign, in order to get out of paying unemployment or something like that.

And when I was hired, they said if they felt I wasn't doing my job properly, they could fire me anyway.


BAH.
I need a vacation from this.

I'll check back later to see if any breakthroughs have been made.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 02:36 pm:

> I think what he did is questionable and if I would you I would consider hiring an attorney who will take your case on retainer. That is just weird.

Don't waste the money. If you are not a member of a union, or had a contract, then you were an employee at will and could be fired at any time, for any reason. Trust me on this, I studied Business Law.

If you are an employee at will, you can be fired at any time, with or without a reason, and the employer isn't obligated to provide any justification.Unless, you can prove there was some unlawful behaviour involved like racial discrimination.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:57 am:

National California Other States
Summary
Employment at Will
Terminating an Employee
Federal Plant-Closing Law
Employee Resignation
Releases/Waivers
Final Payment
Income Tax/W-2
COBRA
Company Property
Recordkeeping


Summary

In general, employment is considered to be at-will, which means either the employee or the employer may terminate the employment relationship at any time and for any reason. However, there are some limits to the at-will rule. If there is an employment contract, either express or implied, that limits the employer’s right to terminate employment, the employer must comply with the requirements of the contract. Contracts may include collective bargaining agreements, individual employment agreements, and employee handbooks. In addition, there are state and federal laws that limit an employer’s right to terminate an employee where the reason for the termination is discriminatory or in retaliation for the employee exercising particular rights. There are also laws that apply to a group layoff situation and that govern final paychecks and the continuation of health insurance upon the termination of employment.

Employment at Will

In the absence of an existing law, employment contract, or collective bargaining agreement to the contrary, employment relationships are generally considered to be employment-at-will. Both the employer and employee are free to terminate the employment relationship at any time, without notice, and for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all. This legal theory is commonly referred to as the employment-at-will doctrine.

Please see the state EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS, state TERMINATION sections.

Legal Limitations: Wrongful Discharge

There are a number of exceptions to this general rule. They come under the general heading of "wrongful discharge."

Discrimination. Federal antidiscrimination laws protect employees from losing a job on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, religion, disability, pregnancy, or age. Employees can bring an action against their former employers under the Civil Rights Act of 1964,the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), the Pregnancy Discrimination Act, or the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA). There are numerous state laws that forbid discrimination in employment as well.

Employment contracts. Although an employment contract is generally understood to be a set of written agreements entered into by the employer and the employee, an unwitting employer may ultimately find itself bound to a promise made by a personnel manager during an interview or by a manager in a memo posted on a bulletin board. A promise, or "contract," may also be implied in an employee handbook. Most often, the promise boils down to this: no discharge except for good cause.

Although the enforcement of such promises varies considerably from state to state, employers should be extremely careful about the promises and representations that are made to employees before and during employment. Some careless promises can place an employer in an unexpected and undesirable contractual relationship and effectively remove any right it may have had to terminate an employee without cause.

Please see the national Employment Contracts section.
Please see the state Employment Contracts section.

Discipline policies. Many companies have specific disciplinary procedures set forth in a policy manual or employee handbook. If the employer has failed to follow such established procedures, or the policies limit the employer's discretion to terminate its employees, the employee may have a state law cause of action for breach of implied employment contract or wrongful discharge.

Retaliation. Generally, an employer may not terminate an employee in retaliation for engaging in an otherwise protected activity. An employer may be found liable for retaliatory discharge if the employee can prove that he or she was engaged in a "protected activity" (such as filing a Title VII complaint), that the employer was aware of the protected activity, and that because of the protected activity, the employer subjected the employee to an adverse employment action (e.g., termination).

Terminating an employee who has engaged in a protected activity is a matter that should be approached with extreme caution. However, the mere fact that a worker has filed a complaint should not prevent an employer from terminating an otherwise undesirable employment relationship. As long as the termination is warranted, is not imposed on a pretext, and is consistent with past practice, the employer is theoretically secure from liability.

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By Mouse on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:55 am:

Oh, I didn't know that that was different from state to state. Hmm.

By Mouse on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:52 am:

It's somewhat questionable, but if you read the paperwork, most places reserve the right to fire an employee at any time for any cause (just as the employee can quit at any time for any cause). And if said employee is posting negative remarks about the employer in public places... well... yeah. :/ It has happened before.

With that said, I'm really sorry it happened to you, DM. But college also leads to personal growth and career opportunities (seriously) so I think that's a great next move. Good luck.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:24 am:

i think it depends on the State. Some states are right to work states which means one can be fired t will. The benefit of right to work states is that non-compete contracts are not enforced.
Also depends if an employee is on probabion usually during the first 90 days. For once I am on Dahn side. They have a right to expect loyal employees who do not share insider conversations or invormation

By fresh-ex on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:16 am:

i agree, don jon. how can someone be fired for what we are doing here. dahn member should look into her/his rights. actually sounds like a great opportunity for exposing dahn.
good luck

By don jon on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:59 am:

I think what he did is questionable and if I would you I would consider hiring an attorney who will take your case on retainer. That is just weird.

By oy do woe is me on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:59 am:

You are no slave, this man is no master. it;s just a job.. never forget that . you are putting to much into this. get to school. do not let this mind mushing get to you. "massa" was just your boss. not family. If "Massa" exprsses any kind of concern and friendship for you it was all fake. yes. a better preformance than paris hilton can give.

When i left dahn - that day i found a legit yoga studio to go to. I blew my mind. i did not work out with some chickky from the gym -i went to a top studio. i have never felt so good. these instctors new the body truly inside and out. I was so happy to see the instuctors go home afer class to there own lives. nobody was trying to take me to a differnt level.

By clockwork on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:38 am:

Good Luck to you Dahn Member, I hope all works out in the end and I hope you will be happy. again Good Luck to you! We all care more then you know.

By Momma on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 06:25 am:

"I was identified by my master, and HE asked that I resign, because HE did not think I was truly dedicated to my work at the center.
HE is mostly right, but I still wasn't ready to leave"

Dahnmember; This is the first time you referred to any master at your center as "He"
Whats up with That????

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 05:20 am:

Thank you, m'dear.
But you guys are right, the denial is clearing and the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is becoming apparent.
I'm gonna stay away from the internet for a while because I feel compelled to check this site at least 3 times a day, which is not healthy, and it's causing me a lot of anxiety.

I might go for a road trip. Sometimes I do that when I get stressed out, and I need some time alone.
Especially since I was planning to be in Sedona- well those plans fell through weeks ago, but I was still denying it to myself.

Sorry, I'm depressed and stressed. I need to find a job and try to at least get enrolled at a community college.

Maybe I'll be back once I can pull myself together.

By Stillahealer on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 05:04 am:

I do care Dahnmember. I was concerned when you told us some details about yourself that could i.d. you. It is not difficult to find out which area is having Shim Sung on a particular weekend. They watch anyone like a hawk once they find you have been to this site.
God is working in your life though forcing you out of there. Sorry about the job loss; not too late to get back in school.
Please stay. You are loved.

By DAHNBUSTER on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 12:59 am:

DahnMember,

I care! Take heart, because

"Nothing, but nothing, happens in God's World by accident." (The Big Book: Alcoholics Anonymous)

I know how you feel, being dogged out and all. People hate on me because I'm tall, blonde, and beautiful. Now, how can I help that???

ROFLMAO!
dahnbuster!
p.s... and MODEST, TOO!

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 12:11 am:

Ok.
Bad news (for me, maybe you guys won't even care).

I was identified by my master, and he asked that I resign, because he did not think I was truly dedicated to my work at the center.
He is mostly right, but I still wasn't ready to leave.

I'm feeling pretty down.
I don't feel comfortable posting here, at least not for a while.

I'm sure you guys either a)won't care, or b)will be happy to be rid of me, as I'm sure my center is right now.

Take care, and thanks for the truth.

By fresh-ex on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 12:00 am:

ok Bomo- i am glad we cleared that up. i didn't think you felt that way, but sometimes a post can be confusing. you would be amazed at the people who do think its ok that julia died. actually, what am i saying?? you were there right after. what you wrote gives me chills. and i am not surprised they handled your group so carefully after such an incident. i can't believe what a coward lee is.
MKD- you should feel really good that you talked your friend. i introduced quite a few people to dahn and also attracted alot of new members at open house. i was always there, i always had my uniform and did my best to demonstrate the very best dahn techniques. i felt really guilty about it but thought i would look crazy if i hung around the center like a bad smell after i left. so how could i help? i talked to every single member i had become close to, first off. i called them, invited them over. then when i saw other members i didn't know so well i would approach them(not easy) and just say what i had to say. sometimes it worked, sometimes not. i hope your friend is reading the board. she must know that being "headstrong" will not protect her, and staying for the exercise won't cut the mustard. a mink coat is warm, but alot of people won't wear them... because the good does not outway the bad. (for example) i too, was a volunteer!!! i was being groomed for sure. and it kept me poor and very very busy. i felt so much pressure to be there all the time, and be willing to do whatever they asked, that it isolated from my friends, family, i started neglecting my regular job which i nearly quit to prove my devotion to dahn. i was so close to being at their complete mercy.
i hope she keeps in touch in with you. i just made a print-out to keep in my wallet for anyone that i might cross paths with. when it happened before, i would sometimes stumble on my words, start losing my nerve. they made me so nervous with that look.
i believe the energy you experienced with her was real. i had amazing experiences with some people, one that just quit with my help! we even talked about that day when i was filling her in on the truth about dahn. its not like it never happened or that it wasn't valid anymore. but she was outa there!! she called today to let me know. so keep it up MKD. you are great.
dahn is a cult.

By DAHNBUSTER on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 11:31 pm:

How did they link the word "failure" to George Bush's web-page?

"You link the word "CULT" (the word prompt) to the website~~> http://www.dahnyoga.com <~~/you want google to recognize as a result. So everytime someone clicks the link, google will archive it. The only problem is that it would require hundreds of thousands to millions of hits before you can get the page you want on the first page of googles search.

"hundreds of thousands to millions of hits???"
HMMM, maybe not yet. how about Yahoo?

OH! and check this oot, eh? when you go to the Kotex-ad Dahn-Hak website, you cannot BACKARROW out of it, you are STUCK there! I found that very poignant.

Andrew Nevis, no you cannae tak a holiday. You must be the Apostle Andrew, you know the one who always went off a-fishing when there was work tae do? HA!

How would it be if we were to start a petition??
To send to everybody's State or Province Attorney General AND BBB??

We could start at the Yahoo site, how is that coming by the way???

F.Y.I. Dahn-member is dahnbusting her lil' keister off at myspace.
As for me at myspace, 600 people have viewed the
words "Dahn-Hack yoga is a cult-pass it on"
That's all I care about, spreading the message.
The Venue is unimportant.

Jolly good show, everyone!
DAHNBUSTER

p.s. I type in caps so I can SEE, not SHOUT, okay? All the web etiquette rules are cool except for that one, which is stupid.

By HealerNoMore on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 11:16 pm:

BOMO,

The masters in Sedona were aware of Julia's condition because she had to fill out a medical waiver/form before she took the training.

I have spoken to several masters and all the training seems to change from group to group.

The common factor remains that dahn yoga and lee put peoples lives at risk.

All of the training you do is designed to make you loyal to that thug lee.

By HealerNoMore on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 11:02 pm:

Did anyone watch the golf tournament at Baltrusol this weekend? The temperature was extremely hot and unbearable. There were reports of many people seeking and getting medical attention due to the heat. There was plenty of water available for everyone, over 30,000 people. The organizers of this event planned for every possible outcome. They deserve much credit.

The masters who planned the ill fated hike which took the life of Julia Siverls should be ashamed of themselves. They had five people in their care and one died. The did not have enough water, food, or even shade. The masters did not have a plan in case of an emergency. The plan in place was to complete the hike no matter what happened. This was to complete the vision. It is a flawed vision instilled in their feeble minds by a con man named lee.

The masters of dahn are trained to complete the vision in spite of any and all obstacles. They will sacrafice everything to make lee happy. They will give up their families,dignity, homes,jobs,money and even their lives for a con man who will discard them when they are of no use to him.

By HealerNoMore on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 10:38 pm:

"the Master is genuine"--mkd

Yes, the master is "genuine" in his or her attempt to keep you fooled while they take as much of your money as possible before you find out you are being used. The whole act put on by masters is to get your money. Why would anyone believe they have special knowledge of enlightenment? They are probably breaking some type of law to be here (green card marriages, tax evasion, money laundering,etc.). This should be proof enough for anyone to not trust them or anything they tell you. Please read the postings on the internet regarding this group. They are a very immoral and dangerous group whose only purpose is to make their "god" lee a very rich man.

If there are any current members here please ask the masters in the most polite way(since they are victims of abuse) how it feels to be a puppet slave of an ex-con and a con man (among other sleazy things). Do they get some type of satisfaction by being used? Is their self esteem so low they don't care about their well being? Since this seems to be the case why would I want to put my trust and confidence in them? Is it because of the uniform? I can buy a uniform anywhere.

I keep reading about trusting masters and how they are trustworthy and real. Please wake up and see them for the victimizers they are. They will take your money, your time, and maybe even your life.

By mkd on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:34 pm:

I spoke to a friend today whom I turned on to dahn when i was fully immersed and I am concerned. She is definitely a headstrong woman who is well aware of the cult like antics of dahn but she tends to feel she is safe because of what I and others have apparently told her. What concerns me most is that she paid the initial payment necessary for 10 classes and because she couldn't afford the rest of her balance they allowed her to attend class as long as she "volunteered" at the center. When she paid up her balance she needed to renew and she did the same thing as previously only this time they allowed her to pay off what she owed by only working one or two days at the center. I told her she is so obviously a target for a master in training and she should be careful. She is definitely at the stage of thinking she is safe because she is "headstrong." I re-instated to be extra cautious and she said basically she is happy with the physical aspects she is receiving from class and the master is "genuine" and she won't allow herself to be sucked in.
I cant help but feel bad about the fact she is involved because of me. She says when I introduced her she could feel how strong my energy was and she says energy is energy although their "ways " may be not for real, what I experienced and sahred with her was...so she will continue with caution. I only help this board and others will help her.

By Bomo on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 07:28 pm:

"People sometimes want to believe the best, and want to believe what they are told"

Fresh-ex, please re-read my post.
Everything that comes after the words in quotes repeated above, represents the rationalisation
that could be done - and which indeed was done by many people based on the available information at the time, and the spin that was put on it.

Of course I am not condoning what happened. How could I? Any one of us could have been in her place and would have been essentially unprotected and unspoken for in the same way - going by the reports that are coming out.

And, of course when I left for Sedona I did not know the full details. That was 2 years ago.
What I did find distasteful at the time was that Dr Lee had just rounded out the Healing Chakra tour fully knowing what happened, and did not even make himself present at the private meeting in the next room when those of us who knew Julia personally were herded in and given the horrible news. He absolutely should have been there.
Instead he gave a strange talk about Mago Garden and death that gave me the chills in retrospect.

When I got on the plane I did have second thoughts, but the ticket was already paid, as was a big chunk of Healer School money. Small comfort - it probably became a safer environment for us and every person who has gone since then -because of what happened. Do not take this last statment out of context please - it is only a sensible, rational observation: they were very vigilant about us and our well being during that week.

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 05:33 pm:

Actually, I am a W2 employee.
I was going to say something about that, because I'd repeatedly heard people saying that all of Dahn Yoga's employees were paid "under the table".
Maybe they've just begun to hire legally, but I can guarantee that it's as legitimate of a JOB (caps for emphasis) as any other I've had (coffee shop, etc.).
I stress the word job, because it's a legitimate job in that it pays sufficiently for the hours and the work done.
That says nothing for the organization itself, however.

By fresh-ex on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 02:19 pm:

Bomo- there is still no excuses or reasons that make julia's death acceptable in my opinion. have you read all the postings about what happened, and the articles? if she wasn't in good shape, why put 40 lbs of rocks on her back and send her out with hardly any water? they are responsible for that.
did you know everything at the time you jumped on that plane, bomo?
when i run into current members on the street, they say its ok that bad things happen to some members (like dying) because so many good things happen to other members (like becoming enlightened).
its amazing how current members have reasoned alot of these issues- is that what you mean about it not being straight forward? alot of things got muddled through brainwashing. i was starting to accept nearly everything at one point, until i heard about the hummer.
in truth, i am not totally clear on your posting... you aren't condoning her death i take it, right?

By Momma on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 01:38 pm:

Dahnmember;

Would you please clarify your status at your center? I get the impression you are an employee, part of the new expansion program of hiring people from the community to man the front desk, teach classes and do community outreach, otherwise known as dropping flyers.
Are you considered a W2 employee of Dahn? If so your role is not a money generator, you are filling in the spots while the masters gather the money. And the INS is happy because Dahn Yoga is hiring, and if they can not get enough Americans to fill these positions, they can bring more Koreans here legally.
Also Dahnmember have you read Ilchi lees' books and teachings about changing the world before 2012. Or is this information kept from employees?
Just wondering

By Bomo on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 01:22 pm:

To: Dahnmember
When I said:
"and the lack of concern and attention for those less financially well off - i.e: the lack of an affordable program for such people"

I wasn't speaking of concessions to individual members on a case by case basis - this is relative, and at the JWN's discretion.I was speaking about countrywide structured programs for the benefit of those (much) less well off.

I tried in vain to procure used power brains (which I knew existed) to supply my volunteer class with the gadgets. I was willing to pay for them - but, instead I was shown the shiny boxes stacked on the shelf. I felt really unsupported.

You were 'fortunate' - if that's the word - to have paid very little in currency, but judging from your posts - you did pay, as we all did.

By Bomo on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 12:45 pm:

Fresh-ex, it is not as simple as that.
People sometimes want to believe the best, and want to believe what they are told.
It is possible, one could even say that it was inevitable (under the weather conditions in Sedona in August)and what was only known as 'rigorous' outdoor Sbnm training, that someone might succumb eventually -- this year, next year, whatever. To that perpective, add the knowledge that Julia might not have been in tip top health, and the spin that was given: that she wanted to be a Sbnm more than anything -- and one might put the incident to the back of one's mind as tragic, and unfortunate. I jumped on a plane for Sedona mere days after getting this news.

By fresh-ex on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 11:47 am:

good advice, momma.
its been... difficult.
i think the board is deliberately being disrupted by dahndroids, so its hard to stop. for those unfamiliar with the term, a "dahndroid" is a dahn member who goes on the board and tries to disrupt information being shared by trying to cause discomfort, hurt feelings, and general mayhem. they also criticize the organization while still remaining a member,while claiming to be aware of the information, such as the death in sedona.
how anyone can turn a blind eye to that is beyond me.

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By Stillahealer on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 07:41 am:

Mouse; case is still not filed in Bronx Superior Court.

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 03:33 am:

yeah pandora's box is just a bunch of articles.

doomsday theories?
sheesh.
maybe i missed the Dahn you guys were in.

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 09:00 pm:

dahn member? who is that

By Anonymous on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:50 pm:

Dahn member and Fresh-ex, you seem to have a lot more in common than you want to admit, almost like hearing the same person talking.

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:21 pm:

wow, that newdahn site is wild! thanks for encouraging me to check it out

By oy do woe is me on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 07:42 pm:

I opened it and it was fine.

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 07:17 pm:

has anyone opened the pandora's box on the new dahn? i am so weary of opening links.
Andrew- i agree fully with your response on fence-sitting. sounds like you are having some fun! the stuff about videos on buses is so disturbing. that really scares me.
Mouse- did you read the documents of the lawsuit that were posted on-line?
Bomo- i was bombarded with doomsday theories while at dahn. it got heavier and heavier, until one day i was told i had to save my soul (with enough money of course) so DR.LEE would take me to his planet. yyyyyyah

By Dahn member on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 06:49 pm:

oops, yeah well...
they didn't take advantage of me financially.
maybe because people who actually have money are more willing to give it away.

http://www.myspace.com/dahn_member
has anyone even looked at it?

By Andrew Nevis on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 06:48 pm:

Bo-Beep, cannae a man take a vacation for a few days. Trip was good, I'm still stiff in parts The parts that are loose have shades and are smoking.
Similiar lines to a man who adorns our dart boards. What does Lee say after sex? What did you say your name and center were?
What does Lee say to his wife before sex? I'll call you back in an hour.

Seriously folks, Dahn is expanding into different areas. Dahn video ads are on airport limo buses in Korea, and if the traveller doesn't know the company they'll say it looks good. Should we spend time here bickering, who will warn the traveller?

I also wonder about fence sitters? The person who has read the information, but is only thinking about leaving Dahn. Why?
Any energy you'd used as an individual to save the planet will be taken from you. The energy will be used to make Lee richer, and the planet poorer. To think otherwise is to live in denial, the board has shown the facts.
We have no video, pictures, but enough has been printed for the mind to create a true image of reality.

On the paranioa, it works both ways. How long can Dahn trust a person who reads material from this and similiar websites? The fence sitter could face hidden discrimination, as they might be seen as a possible spy?

So to the fence sitter, do make a choice, personal freedom or Dahn? Sitting on the fence makes you suspect to both sides or as attractive as warm spit.

Final note to Dahnroids, tell your other andies in Japan, I told the protective spirit of the nation your a cult;) If they want to make the case otherwise, they have to take a hike.

By Dahn member on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 06:46 pm:

i'm not insulting anyone.
it's not like just saying to someone "you're stupid!"

i'm saying how you come off to visitors.

if you really want to sound like wacko fanatics, go ahead, but i can guarantee that you're scaring people off.

i think Dahnbuster is a very productive person, so i don't see where you get off insulting her, just to get at me.
oh wait- lack of things to criticize me on, besides me "not being serious enough", perhaps.

i don't care.
i'm not afraid of you, and i'm not going to leave OR change my name.
this is a public forum, and just because my views don't match up with yours, i'm not going to change them, and i'm not going to kiss your ass.


SO PLEASE START POSTING ABOUT DAHN YOGA NOW AND STOP BASHING ON PEOPLE, THANK YOU.

By Anonymous on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 06:28 pm:

http://www.newdahn.com/usa

New posting on the real mission of Dahn Yoga. Business model posting

By Bomo on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 05:13 pm:

If Sifu is still reading the board - please post again - thanks.

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 04:34 pm:

why does the board only go back to july sometimes???

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 04:33 pm:

dahn member- how do you expect people to take this seriously when you are just "joking around" all the time?
there you go again, calling people wackos and being rude. this is the last time you or your little buddy there are going to be acknowledged by me. change your name like your clever friend if you want, you still smell and sound like the same old crap.
bomo- i agree that people are taken advantage of financially. if you give them your last penny they think its "beautiful". it shows your willingness, how much your soul has grown... its all related to money!!! they also lied to me and said they had great jobs, etc. .. look i drive a nice car (supplied by dahn) and i live in a house (payed by dahn and packed with masters spying on eachother).
mouse- i have been waiting for more info on the lawsuit as well. i typed in "dahn cult" last night and now that takes you to a wierd page that says dahn yoga cult and is selling a bunch of stuff and just loops around and around. its creepy. i am making cards today with this board address on them to hand out so people don't miss it. i just hope they don't think its lame with some of the recent postings(only some).
clockwork- we see eye to eye! this is serious business. that is why i post here. i've never been on a message board in my entire life! its because of what happened to me with dahn and changed my life forever. its not about being bitter, its caring for my community, the people that are still there, and stopping an organization that is poisoning the minds of today's youth.yup, serious stuff. families are affected. people kill themselves. its serious.

and by the way, peter betrayed jesus. that is the last thing i am going to say about those posts.

By Stillahealer on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 04:03 pm:

Will check on it again tomorrow; too late on the East coast now.

By Mouse on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 04:01 pm:

*awkward*

So anyways... if I missed a post on this topic, I sorry, but did anyone ever find out the status of the wrongful-death suit/complaint/whatzit? I remember someone posting that it hadn't been assigned a case number, and so wasn't yet "official". Update?

By Dahn member on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 03:11 pm:

oh jeez fresh-ex, get over yourself.
as Dahnbuster said, we're not in high school.
i wasn't serious when i was talking about "being cool".
LIGHTEN UP.
some people's attitudes on here are so stiff, humorless and militant that it makes this board seem like a bunch of wacko fanatics, and quite frankly, might make a lot of current Dahn members turn right back around and go back to their centers (this is the feeling i sometimes get, and i know those less brave than i probably feel the same way).


Bomo- I'd have to disagree with your statement about Dahn Yoga's lack of affordability for those who are financially in need.

Wait...maybe that's why I'm not as bitter or angry as most of you- because I was actually helped out financially, and I wasn't suckered out of my money. (if you can believe that).

So, for another Dahn Yoga reference site, go to mine (clockwork, I don't have non-Dahn-related content on mine, if that helps).
http://www.myspace.com/dahn_member

By Anonymous on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:35 pm:

That would be fresh ex with whom I agree.

By Anonymous on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:31 pm:

I agree with anon 12:48. This is so disapointing.
Before I left two months ago after three years
in Dahn someone had e-mailed this site to all
healers in our area. It was so helpful and
the experiences were all so familar that I
knew I wasn't blowing my questions and doubts
out of proportion. One day after another
confrontation with yet another new master,
it was very easy to leave and I have never
doubted once that it was the right thing to do,
nor have I felt any remorse or sadness.
I still have a few friends there and had passed
this site and then NewDahn on. I too, am
embarrassed to know that they are reading
some of the dribble that is posted and using
this site as it is now to help them make a
decision re Dahnhak.

By fresh-ex on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 12:48 pm:

you know, i was just thinking... this board is getting way off course with all the wierd cryptic postings and comparing ourselves to the jesus's friends. and worrying about who thinks we are cool. can we please stay on topic.
i had a rough night so i sat up and read back back back into the postings on this board. it reminded me how important this board is. i saw how people struggled, its so difficult at first. we can be here for eachother emotionally but i have been feeling that i would hesitate to pass this address on to someone only for them to find people writing gibberish, and remaining in the organization. they need more than that to help them get out.
for newcomers- you must scroll waaay way back, my friends, and put some serious time into reading this board. that is how you will really learn what dahn is all about. skimming won't do it.
i worry that people are trying to drag down the integrity of this board.

By Stillahealer on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:06 am:

Bomo:
Thanks for sharing your conclusions about Dahn Yoga. Also Thanks for reminding us about raising the energy level of the board. Dahn Yoga management could have a field day by taking the tone out of complete context serving to reinvigorate the troops. They are probably urging them to pray for our lost souls while reminding them how Seuseu nim has overcome even bigger obstacles in Korea only to grow more and more. Because they have the truth of Cosmic Energy behind them!!!.
Once again lets be careful with our language, lets be respectful if we all do not think feel or respond in a manner we expect. Lets not kill the messengers.
Newcomers please take the time to reread this board; almost all questions have been answered already.
Remember it is about sharing your experiences.
Bomo hope you live in an area that has some ex Dahn Yoga folks. They are the best. Start your own class with rotating instructors. Build it and they will come.

By Bomo on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 09:24 am:

Hello everyone -
It has been a sort of relief to read the postings on this site - I have had reservations about this organisation very early on into my membership and struggled with my doubts for a long time. Chiefly - the incessant recruiting, the high cost of everything, the targeting of those with money, the senseless gadgets (which like many, I bought)
and the lack of concern and attention for those less financially well off - i.e: the lack of an affordable program for such people.
They claim to be Taoist, but I wonder if they are truly that. Dahn seems to have too much of an agenda and too much of a tight timetable to do the listening and waiting that true Taoism requires.
There have been doomsday theories in the past - most recently in the 90's when a man named Harold Camping spread the word that the world as we know it would come to an end in October 1992.
And, there are a lot of groups using America as a forum, as a megaphone - take Falun Gong for example. Our openness is a blessing and as we all know too well, can be used by others for their gain, and sometimes to our detriment.
What I feel while reading the board and which is a little sad,is that some of us have become bitter and it is comsuming us. Please keep your heart. The energy principle is real, valid. Raise the energy of the board. I'm glad to have found this and other sites that only confirm what my gut has been saying for a long time.
My chief concern now is finding a place to practice, to meditate, to keep going.
Good luck to all seekers. Don't give up.

By clockwork on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 04:45 am:

Fresh-Ex I am so impressed by all that you are doing, I agree with your cause. I am obssessed with spreading the word and helping people to see Dahn for what it really is. That would be so brave of you if you went to the papers, I would be so impressed, I will attempt to do the same.
Dahnbuster I have went onto myspace a few times but I am very slow when it comes to this type of thing. I did not know where to begin, I want to join but I don't know how, I am slow I know. But I have been looking around and exploring your site, very interesting except all the girls with their legs spread and wearing lingerie, that is what turned me away from the site, these girls make it look like a joke of some sort or a perv site. But I was not ignoring you at all even though I made no comments.

By Dahn member on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 03:14 am:

http://www.myspace.com/dahn_member

add me as a friend
or at least check out my page- i put up some cool stuff, and it can be another reference to use.

By Dahn member on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:22 am:

cool, i'm peter?
hey, isn't he the guy who says who gets into heaven?
or he stands at the gates or something....


yeah this board is getting so big.
were we going to make a Dahn Yoga group on Yahoo?
hee hee.
Mouse is cool.

By Dahn member on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:17 am:

"Am I out of "the clique" because I defended
DahnMember?"
Dahnbuster- so I'm not cool?
Yeah you're right, I know of a few other Westchesters... howeveryou spell that.

Oh and about the college campuses, I should know about that. I'm in college, they have clubs on a bunch of campuses- UCLA and UMass are ones I know about, but I know there's at least 10.

Also, I have a MySpace but I don't want to reveal myself so I didn't join.
I guess I could create a fake account though.

By Mouse on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:09 am:

OKAY, I joined MySpace already! Now somebody be PurpleMouse's friend.

DahnBuster-- I must confess that I'm not a Christian, but a guy named James IS significant to my world view. We may not be talking about exactly the same person, but the coincidence is interesting, and I'm still a little flattered. ;) I'll keep encouraging productive discussion....hopefully. ;)

By Mouse on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 12:39 am:

OK, home from work, and my connection's working again. Yay

To anon #948 (14 Aug), search engines rank the sites they find in order of "relevance", which is determined by
1) whether or not the site is sponsored
2) how popular the site is
3) how many times the search phrase actually appears on the page, and
4) probably half a dozen other things that I don't know about.

If you want to make THIS site relevant to the search phrase "Dahn Yoga", keep posting as usual, but simply start referring to the organization as Dahn Yoga instead of Dahnhak. It'll take time, but the site will eventually get on the map for that search. You might also mention to RickRoss that the name of the website has changed.

Having said that, some of you might conclude that posting annoying, repetitive messages with "Dahn Yoga" in it over and over again would help in some way. It really wouldn't, because
1) Spam is BAD, mm'kay
2) Google doesn't just link to the site, it shows what's written there. If we're actually TALKING about Dahn Yoga, and not posting meaningless drivel, people are more likely to click it.
3) It makes the board very hard to read, not to mention ticking off whomever may be moderating this board.

Just something to think about. But keep the conversation going!

And hi there. *waves to SAH*

By DAHNBUSTER on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 09:26 pm:

Did you join? You have to join myspace to log in.
No worries, Just name and a (throwaway) email addy. No spam.

Go here:

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Join

There's a whole sub-culture I was unaware of.
Twinkies. AAA. Have you all heard any of this?

By do wo me no mo on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 08:50 pm:

thanks stilla healer. very interesting.
and Dahn buster. I do not know ho to log in, I have tried twice.
I will try again Sorry

By DAHNBUSTER on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 08:36 pm:

I know, I know...
I can't stand to be ignored (Leo), even if it's in my own imagination.
But that just makes for a better DAHNBUSTER!!!
RRRRRAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRRRRR!

SPEAKING OF GOOGLE, TRY THIS:
GOOGLE SEARCH THE WORD FAILURE.
HIT THE FIRST LINK THAT POPS UP.
HUH? ARE YOU ALL THINKING WHAT I'M THINKING?
I know how they did it. (The Anti-Bush peeps)

Stilla, STTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLAAA!
(streetcar named desire)
ROFLMAO, (roll on the floor laugh my ass off)

<3
D.B.

By Stillahealer on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 07:22 pm:

When someone asks a question I think we all think everyone else answers. When this came up before some poster got in a corective snit about the exact location etc. Before I answered I went to my old friend Google

Now I am ROMAL at Dahnbuster

By DAHNBUSTER on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 07:15 pm:

DOH! Stillahealer I was typing the same time you were!
NEW YORK! THANK YOU! NOW I CAN FIND IT.
You are the beloved Tabitha, thank you.

SHALOM,
DAHNBUSTER

By DAHNBUSTER on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 07:09 pm:

Am I typing in invisible fonts?
Am I out of "the clique" because I defended
DahnMember?
If you're dead serious about stopping this deadly cult,everybody, STOP ACTING HIGH-SCHOOL!!
I asked where is Westchester. Pleeeeze don't tell me to do a damn search-engine "if I really want to know" because I did, and there's only about 8000 Westchester's in American. And I don't even know if it's in America or Canada!

Listen, I've sent the (pertinent) e-mail newslinks to everybody I was in healer school with, about 40 people. I'm also sending out I.M.'S to the Native Arizonans on myspace, to see if they have got "home-turf" info which I can share here. DAHN IS TARGETING THE COLLEGE CAMPUSES? WELL, MUCHACAS, SO AM I.....!!!

I'm Dahn-busting my ass off over here!
I don't expect any Kudos from you all, but a Civil reply would be appreciated.

Do we share a common goal? YES!
Will Jealousy and competition achieve said goal?
NO!

I here-by apologize and call a truce with each and every one of you that I may ever offended in order that we may work together peacefully and to accomplish our primary collective objective.

WE NEED A MEETING OF THE MINDS! Everyone is going their own way, that's good! It's like the Apostles
of Jesus, they didn't mope around in Jerusalem and "woe is me" to each other indefinitely.

They GOT OUT AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL!!!
I'm going out to the uneducated masses, like Paul.
MKD: Writing is his forte, let him con't writing to the Media. He's like The Apostle whom Jesus loved, JOHN!
Dahnmember: She's like Peter, who STAYED IN JERUSALEM and started the Church there.
Also, Our double secret agent. VERY MUCH NEEDED!
(F.Y.I., PETER WAFFLED A LOT BETWEEN JUDAISM AND THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, AS YOU WELL KNOW!)
Mouse: The Peacemaker on this Board, probably the most important ministry of all. archtype: the Apostle James, beloved Brother of the Lord.
Stillahealer: The beloved Tabitha, aka Dorcas, who stayed put but very much gave 100% unconditional love and supported the Disciples.
Each one of you have a part. Pick your Patron Saint and follow their lead. Non-Christians; find your true calling, and JUST DO IT!
There may even be an archtype of Judas here.
Hey, He too had a part to play...

Each one of us has a job to do.

Example: There are others here who bravely shared their email addys to help others. Group response: NONE!

YOU WERE ALL INVITED TO JOIN MY GROUP about 7 times:
http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS
One person from here has joined.

P.S. I am not a Fundamentalist Christian, but the Analogy of the Acts of the Apostles is just too hard to resist.

United we stand,
Divided we fall.
Stop the Hate, Start the Love.

Sorry to sound "preachy"
Now, where in the Hell in Westchester?

DAHNBUSTER

By Stillahealer on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 06:29 pm:

Dahnbuster; Google New York Map. Then click on Westchester County. Mostly bedroom high income communities outside New York City

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 06:01 pm:

anon 2:29 i am not playing games. i am dead serious about the dangers of this organization. that is why i get frustrated with someone giving out advice, semi-bashing dahn, and then going to class. give me a break.
and i personally do think this is a forum for helping people leave dahn.
i saw ANOTHER member today. this one was robotic complacent and smug. but i did my best. and i will never give up. and i am going to the papers as soon as i get back from visiting my family. no more nicey nice. this little chapter of dahn is going to be shutting their doors. soon
thanks for your encouragement SAH
way to go MKD- that is awesome!

By Dahn member on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 06:01 pm:

really?
how do you guys know these meetings are being held...
and if you don't mind, what areas do you know of that are having these meetings?

if you don't want to tell, that's ok, but i doubt anyone could ID you, with 80% of the people on here posting as "anonymous"

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 04:58 pm:

sorry, both postings re NewDahn are mine.
I thought I had canceled the first one.

By DAHNBUSTER on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 04:51 pm:

Question:
Where in the Hell is Westchester, anyway?
Sign me,
Geographically Impaired.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 04:50 pm:

Some masters in my area are definetly reading
and discussing New Dahn website.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 04:44 pm:

I know of one area where a special meeting was
called for healers and up to discuss and deny
NewDahn website. So......
they definitely are checking.

By Dahn member on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 03:22 pm:

Anon 2:58-
you should be wary of your master, because it could, very well be one of their tricks, but remember this- Dahn masters are still human beings and are still capable of having feelings. Many masters have left Dahnhak. The masteres have been far more brainwashed than most regular members, but I wouldn't be surprised to meet a few here and there who are questioning Dahnhak as well. I'm sure a lot of them are now aware of all the allegations and people speaking out, and maybe they're starting to question it themselves.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 02:58 pm:

Anon- Thank you for your insight.
It's been a few days now that I have been mulling this over in my head and I really can;t believe that I have spendt so much time thinking about this craziness. I am not sure if I am going to quiet all together or just finish out my membership. I am an extremely strong minded person and have a huge support system (spouse,family and friends. I have a successful job and wonderful hobbies. Yes I have gone through tradgedy in the past few years and this was something that I deciced to do for me. This obvioulsy wasn't the answer. I have many mixed emotions besides feeling, hurt, silly, angry and confused. I think my "master" truly may be feeling the same way. I think he/she is struggling with her/his own emotions and has confided in me with out telling me the specifics. who knows. Maybe that's a part of their tricks as well. It's not going to work.

By DAHNBUSTER on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 02:50 pm:

Cheers, Fellow Farmers! (seed-planters)
MKD: Kudos to you! Your letter to NDW was concise and well-written! I'm on pins and needles to see if NDW starts slowly back-peddling from Ill-Chi. What's the betting?
To my dear DAHNMEMBER, GUURL, If you have the CHUTZPAH to stay in Dahn and work both sides, I think you are worth your weight in GOLD! Maybe you're not as fragile as I was, I truly had to "piss or get off the pot" because I am so easily mind-effed. A one-year Gold Star Membership flushed down the loo...
You THINK you are crazy, that's a bad thing?? Just be crazy like a FOX. WE (DAHNBUSTERS) need you. ALL HANDS ON DECK!
Where in the Hell is Andrew Nevis? He's got friends at media.
Mouse is back, thank God, now we can organize and think-tank.
And, on the lighter side of life: THERE'S NO NEED TO FEAR; SANTE GNOME IS HERE!!! (from myspace)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
santa gnome helping bust cult. is dahn offer presents? no, stretch first then control accounting checks. santa gnome brings presents never brainwash, unlike cucumber veggie god.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ROFLMAO!
BO, NOW DAHNBUSTER

By Stillaahealer on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 02:42 pm:

Do wo no mo

I know they are promoting some articles written about the benefits of Dahn. It is titled "Something Worth Reading"

Guess nothing written here or other truth telling sites are worth reading according to Dahn Yoga

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 02:29 pm:

"that is essentially what this is for- to help people leave."

I don't agree, fresh-ex. For me it's a place for people to answer the question of the title: "Does anyone have the scoop on Healing Society/Dahn Institute?" This means facts, testimonials, discussion, documents, and a variety of opinions. Not a place for games. This board loses credibility if people make up stories, whether they are for dahn or against it, or in-between.

By do wo no mo on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 02:01 pm:

Has anyone heard anything from the inside about how the articles in Westchester have impacted Dahn?

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 11:02 am:

That was addressing "Dahn Member."

anon 11:01

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 11:01 am:

You make a lot of sweeping accusations against this forum and the people here just from a little backlash. I for one have no problem with your sitting on the fence about dahn; that's your problem if you can't make the decision whether or not to stay away from what you yourself call a "cult" and after you yourself described the slavery of the Korean master who couldn't even visit with her sister. I am sure you are not a "plant" for dahn; that seems far-fetched. No, I think you planted yourself here to make us try to convince you to get out of dahn, screaming for help and laying out all your mental disabilities like you're a textbook case of a dahn target. Now suddenly you are "closed" in what you share and suddenly "open-minded" about dahn. Bi-polar? I don't think so. Game player? - perhaps.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 09:48 am:

On their newly upgraded website they put "Dahn Yoga" as the official name. When new members do google "Dahn Yoga" to research, they will not likely land onto one of the anti-Dahn sites, whereas "Dhanhak" will give them one of the Rick Ross pages on the first result page. How do we bring RickRoss or this message board readily available to people who search/google "Dahn Yoga"?

By mkd on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 09:09 am:

Hey!
Here is a link, an email address which NDW says he reads every email, it is for his weekly newsletter where he responds to his redaders questions, I think everyone should send him a letter to let him know how screwed up his biz with lee is. Email at weeklybulletinresponse@cwg.org

Here is a piece of my letter to him:

However in Tomorrows God you offer the works of other "notable authors," who are worth reading, one of which is Ilchi Lee, author and founder of Dahnhak & Brain Respiration. Neale, I have lost an enormous amount of respect for you and your organization by continually endorsing this man and his organization. His book, "Healing Society" and others I believe are being published thru you or some company affiliated with you. I would like to know what are you thinking about? Do you know the real truth of what is behind this man and his organization? You have gone from speaking simple truths which are lovely, beautiful, and yes even disturbing and at best challenging to working directly with some one who is out for NO ONE but himself! Please do not start telling me that by helping yourself you help all because "We are All One", because by that same preface you and he should give me the keys to his various homes around the world so that I may be able to bask in the luxury he can afford because of me and thousands of others money spent in pursuit of enlightenment. I would love to debate you on the many items you will reflect upon me and you know what? I know them all and at least used to hold them in my heart because I have studied your books, ALL of them at least twice!
It is through your recommendation I checked out Lee and devoted myself to the practice of Dahnhak so much so as to make this path my own so that I too may indeed help change the world and to "be The Hope of Humanity." It got me no where except slowly being pulled in "unwillingly" to some extent into a religion, a religion they don't talk to you about when you sign up for some fun yoga classes. A religion where Lee is at the forefront and where he is the messiah, the 48th Dangun.
I do believe in your 5 steps to peace,theoretically, but realistically it can never work because we do indeed live an the relative world and a world of absolute peace and harmony cannot happen in this realm although many have spent their lives in pursuit, however noble, it cannot happen. If you wish to try you have my blessings, BUT:
STEER CLEAR OF THIS MAN ILCHI LEE, HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT INFLATING HIS OWN PERCEPTION OF HIMSELF AND "HIS WORLD" AND TAKING EVERYONES $$ AND LIVES IN THE PROCESS.
PERHAPS HIS INTENTIONS WERE REAL, CLEAR, AND NOBLE IN THE BEGINNING BUT MUCH LIKE MANY OTHERS IN THE PAST (JIM JONES PERHAPS?) HE HAS BECOME ENAMORED WITH FALSE POWER, FALSE TEACHINGS, AND HIS OWN DESTRUCTIVE EGO.
Feel free to contact me and let me know what you think and any questions you may have. Please I hope you use this on your weekly bulletin, at least it can show the level of TRANSPARENCY you are so willing to disclose.

Sincerely & Honestly,

By Stillahealer on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 08:39 am:

Congratulations Fresh ex. You have planted the seeds. Getting people out one at a time that is all we can hope for. When I first left I did not have the courage to tell members I met on the street the real reasons for my leaving. I wanted to still believe that they did some good for some people especially those who went just for the exercise. Now I tell them the truth and refer them to this site and other sites that tell the same story in many different ways.
I did not want to believe I could be so easily Scamed. As much as I loved the LOVE I was not willing to pay the price.

And welcome back Mouse; missed you

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 08:33 am:

I think DM is a bit confused and at the same time playing a game, not intentionally planned as a plant, but nevertherless unintentionally becoming one .

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 08:23 am:

People who know the reality of Dahn and yet do not have the courage to leave - I feel sorry for them. They either
1) insecure and lonely, don't have anythng better to do in life or anyone better to be with. Neither strong family tie, social life, nor stable, promising job. To those, what Dahn offers may be in fact better than nothing. The community of masters can give an appearance of comradeship and companionship. I.e. this is to escape the hard reality.

2) Self interst - Dahn takes these gullible young people and instill them with fake purpose and false pride. They enjoy this sense of superiority. Very dangerous. What they become is so far from being spiritually evolved. .... instead, they lost touch with their true self and common sense of the society, become puppets of Lee, thinking and behaving according to his programs.

By fresh-ex on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 08:21 am:

BM- oops i mean DM- i can't wait to see what you write next. i believe it was YOU that came on this board and started jumping on people right away. remember saying something like why do you people put so much negative energy into this? you don't like it just go away?
i think that was you, wasn't it?
we have watched other people on the board struggle, then come to their senses and leave dahn. that is essentially what this is for- to help people leave. but nobody is forcing you. that would take one powerful keyboard. but whenever you say something lame or insulting you always blame your bi polar, or your waistline or something. if you are wondering why people react to you, its because of YOUR postings. go back and read them. i personally think you are a plant (and i'm not talking about dahlias, my friends). it happens regularly. i don't care. people change. make up. leave. whatever. i think if you had read the entire board, DM, you'd leave Dahn. maybe you should have a real lookie. nobody is condemning you- uh, how does one do that
read the board, and good luck
jeez i think i even asked you to keep writing when you first showed up and you were so insulting. if you aren't a plant, i really hope you get out of it. keep posting
on a better note- i had run into a current member a couple weeks ago and given her my card. well, she called me! and i think she is definitely leaving. it felt wonderful to help someone. she was sad- it is so very disappointing and can be hard to let go of, but i think she did it. i have only all of you to thank!!!!

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 07:48 am:

Bo,
In those Korean magazine articles, Lee flatly denies all counts of accusations made by JiHa Kim; namely, moeny, women, terror threats, Dahn being a religion, hypnotic training of masters with his picture, etc..

Of course, just like everything else surroundig Dahn there are different ways of reading his words. Lee is a grand master at controlling people's perception by playing with words with seemingly innocent pretense. That's why Dahn was able to grow as big as it is today. People are usually taken in by the superficial appearance of his words. Those people who who can take what Lee says at the face value do not have a mental capacity to discern what sounds good from what this person really is and does in real life.

By bead on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 07:48 am:

"I know you guys are going to continue to be paranoid"

It isn't paranoia, it is contempt, at least for me. Dahn and their ilk are obviously parasites feeding off of the weak minded and gullible. They take money and give nothing but lies and abuse in return. That is standard operating procedure for a "new religious" cult.

If the shoe fits...

By anon18 on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 05:22 am:

Anon 10:18.
I wouldn't suggest you tell your master that you're reading these sites. They have their prepared way of responding to criticism since anti-dahn movements have existed for long time ever since from Korea.

You must remain extremely mindful when you deal with them and guard yourself not to get further involved emotionally with individual masters. Instead of judging your master based on other people's opinions and experiences, be armed with an "awareness" and try to find out yourself what his/her real motivation is for getting close to you. This shouldn't be too difficult if you remain mindful and honest to yourself.

It's just very difficult to explain the psychological mind game they play with people. The -awareness- you need to have is the fact that they are looking for two things (in their own words) (1) Money and (2)People. You must have either money and/or are considered as a healer/master material or to be useful some way. The more you're a complelling target, the further they'll be willing to go in terms of the tactics they play. If you appear as a lonely person needing a girlfriend or boyfriend , they can even play that role for you if that's what it takes to draw you in. This person must be at a jwjn or higher level though.

Masters are very well trained and do think and behave like robots at a certain level of consciousness. (I cannot stop marvelling at Lee's ingeniousness for this! He is truely a smart man) Most of the masters are in their late 20's or 30's singles living and working together 24 hours a day. They must have been trained how to think about and deal with their sexual energy. This has been briefly mentioned in the "Suprise 1999 story". But ultimately it's based on your own perception and experience.

By Dahn member on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 03:21 am:

Thank you, Mouse.

I have not decided whether I'm leaving or not yet.
Most people would, indeed, like me to "shit or get off the pot" (I have people like you guys, who'd be happy if I left, but would rather not talk to me if I decided Dahn was my "destiny", then the people in Dahn who'd love me to either jump in completely with reckless abandon, or get the hell away for fear of my being "contagious" to other members). I've been greeted by reluctance and suspicion from both sides.

The truth is, I am not ready to make the decision.

A lot of people I've met in my life have taken me for being stupid, because of a lot of decisions I've made, but I've found that the only mistakes I've made were when I listened to someone else instead of myself.
This goes for Dahn, too.
Even if I stay in it, they know (and they've seen proof) that they can't force me to do anything, and they know very well now not to try.


I know you guys are going to continue to be paranoid, but I'd just like to clearly state my intentions. You may choose to believe me or not.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 01:41 am:

Mouse is right. Sorry Dahn Member.

By Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 01:26 am:

Well said, Mouse!

By Mouse on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 12:42 am:

...Aw, not more snarking. Remember, everyone has a different experience that brings them to this board. Some people wake up one morning and go "wow, this is a cult!" and quit cold-turkey. Others agonize over the issue for weeks before making a decision... and like it or not, some actually decide that Dahn is worthwhile for them. (We have examples of all three on this board.) But I doubt that anyone HERE condones pressuring others to commmit and conform ;) so please try to respect peoples' decision-making processes, no matter how confused or wishy-washy you may think them. If you suspect that a poster is being dishonest in some way, just ignore their posts--it takes two hands to clap. ;)

Dahn member: my two cents (haha, they didn't get ALL my money!) is that people just aren't sure how to read you; some of the things you joke about are things that some others on the board would take seriously, while the things that you ARE saying in all seriousness are things that many people would NOT seriously reveal. We're just getting to know you (as much as we can "know" anyone on an anonymous message board), so try to be patient with the shy/suspicious posters. ;)

Good to hear from you again, MKD, and I hope you're well.

Thanks, everyone. Please keep posting.

By BoPeepa.k.a.DAHNBUSTER on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 10:49 pm:

NEWSFLASH!
Does ANYBODY here READ KOREAN? Ms. Moon at newdahn was gracious to send me these links:

http://www.donga.com/docs/magazine/new_donga/9912/nd99120420.html
http://www.hani.co.kr/h21/data/L991018/1pauaifr.html

They are press-conferences of Ill-Chi's reaponse when Jiha Kim dissed him publicly.

THE FOLLOWING IS AN F.Y.I.
It is one of my new friends at MySpace, he is a 26 year old Native Korean man. Listen to His personal opinion on the subject:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
oh man it sounds like ur out to fuck up this dahnhak stuff, i'm korean and i've never heard of it but then again i'm kind of a twinkie ha. well anyway yeah the whole thing sounds like a typical korean scam, all i have to say is always be careful when a korean organization asks for "donations" haha. i don't have any knowledge on other organizations but i always turn down korean ones, too many scams which is unfortunate for the legit ones. well anyways thanx for the add if u ever wanna chat i'm on aim sometimes, screenname is (blanked out for privacy)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Feedback, anybody???
Bo

By Mouse on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 09:55 pm:

*waves and lights an extra love-bomb for fresh-ex*

Between moving to a new place (and losing my internet for 2 weeks) and a week of vacation (getting rained on somewhere on the West Coast), I haven't been online much. Still here, though! I'll read up and catch up tonight.

By Dahn member on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 09:42 pm:

split personality routine?

i don't recall blowing people off.
i'm saying "oh please" at the people who are so paranoid to think that they're being monitored.
i made that "i'm trapped in their dungeons" joke because of that. it was SARCASM. i mean, come on, a gag order? ha.

besides, i'm willing to help people who are still in dahn and want advice since i've come to terms with everything i've read by now.

BoPeep was right when she called you guys out on alienating someone and driving them back into the "warm fuzzyness" of a cult.
I'd rather nicely help someone through email than scare them by acting harsh on a message board.
Acting like this is only going to make (a lot of) the current questioning members think the whole lot of you are psycho militants or something.
That's how you come off to someone who is naive or fragile. And I might just be that, but I'm also smart and I have a good BS detector.


"Some of us know a faker when we see one."
What exactly am I faking?
I don't recall making any claims and then lying about them.

But then again, this is an anonymous message board, and nobody knows for sure who here is real or who is fake.

My having a 'different' (strange, whatever you might want to call it) personality does not do anything to change my position. So you're free to judge me how I want. That doesn't change anything.
You're trying to move people to conform to what YOU think is right.
That alienates people as well- this board is a bit cult-ish as well, if you ask me.


Go on talking, though.
There's no sense in bickering or trying to throw insults at me.
I offered help, and that's more than you can say for yourself.

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 08:55 pm:

Some of us know a faker when we see one.

This isn't a support group, even if there are some pure hearts here who reach out to try to help people - no one can see each other and no one has to be held accountable because of all the anonymity; I only know how you come off, and I for one don't think you sound for real. How supportive is it of you to cry out for HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! and then to blow people off with your split personality routine. People here have had enough mind games, don't you think?

By Dahn member on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 07:36 pm:

and i believe i say:
"i dont give a shit what people say"

you guys are not much of a support group at all.
actually, i believe most of you are acting selfishly on your own emotions rather than earnestly trying to help people.

By fresh-ex on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 07:28 pm:

dahmmember- i believe in england they say "shit or get off the pot"

By fresh-ex on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 07:24 pm:

dear dahn member- ever heard of a fence sitter?

By Dahn member on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 04:38 pm:

oh please...

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 04:18 pm:

"i can tell you how they are acting now"
The key word here is Acting.

By Forewarned on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 03:59 pm:

WARNING.
Be very careful with whom you share personal information via private email. Dahn World is truly small. Each member especially those who are Targeted as a FIND are discussed at length with action plans to draw one in. Some people believe there are plants on this board.
Paranoid 1000

By Dahn member on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 02:07 pm:

Hey anon just below me, and those who are still in dahn and just beginning to feel "hurt" and finding stuff out, you can e-mail me at dahn_member@yahoo.com because i'm still in too but i have read just about every article but still remain in the group so i can tell you how they are acting now, opposed to the people who have already left.
I still want to be able to see both sides.
It disappoints me when people think all in black and white.
Yeah I know some people are going to hate on me for even saying that but oh well, get over it. I refuse to let bitterness and anger take over my emotions and actions toward others.

To the person who asked about Initial Awakening:
Well mostly it's about focusing on your physical body, no real cult-like aspects at all from what I experienced, except for the fact that it's totally not worth how much you pay.

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 10:18 am:

My feeling of hurt is from reading this board as well as rickross. I haven't yet spoken to my master and I am not sure what the next step is. Like I mentioned we became close...
any suggestions?

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 10:16 am:

Can someone tell me about initial awakening?

By Anon18 on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 09:20 am:

Anon 9:00 am.
Is your feeling of hurt and duped due to reading this board (i.e. second hand information), or becuase of your direct personal experience with your master? Asking because I can relate to your statement about getting "too close" to your master and being "confused" and not knowing what to think of their interest in you.

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 09:04 am:

I can understand completely, mkd, and I only care because...I care. I remember some people attacked you and I don't think that was right. (but it wasn't "dahndroids" who treated you badly, it was the opposite, it was the antidahns). I just wondered, as you look back now and after some months have gone by, what has made you turn around so completely in your feelings about Dahn. You went from loving it so much, but with some incling that there was a cult, to now denouncing dahn clearly and even wondering what your life would have been like if you had never gone there.

You talked a LOT about your two children and your wife and so I just wondered how things worked out afterall with your family, that's all. If you don't feel comfortable sharing personal things here, I don't blame you at ALL. (We are all "anonymouses" here, even when people use a user-name.) With that, I wish you well.

By Anonymous on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 09:00 am:

This is horrible. It was recently brought to my attention what Dahn is all about. I was like most of you a member who walked into the center with good intentions of being healthy and taking care of me. I loved then work out and eveyone was so nice. I found it very interesting how everyone had taken an interest in me and my life. I became very close with my master, actually too close. I confided in him about many of my life experiences.

I feel hurt and sad. I feel duped and silly. I feel confused because part of me doesn't want to stop but I can't practice this way. This is unhealthy and sick.

It's unfortunate that this is this way. I feel saddened by the deceit of my Master.

By Stillahealer on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 08:03 am:

Amen to MKD

By mkd on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 05:26 am:

I dont want to sound rude or harsh but I have written extensively on my reasons for exiting. I refuse to respond to questions such as yours coming from an "anonomys" person. There are w/out a doubt a number of perople on this board who are full of sh*t and are what some would refer to as dahndroids working from w/in. There are only a few people here, you know who you are whom I feel comfortable responding directly and personally with. Ohter than that I have made the mistake previously on outing certain facts.....so I dont know what you're talking about with hopeful and all that.,

By Anonymous on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 06:15 pm:

MKD, are you the same person as "Hopeful" who defended Dahn not too long ago, the one who changed his name to MyKidsDad? If so, you have made a 180 degree turn-about. How are you doing now with your wife and kids?! What do you think turned you around so much on Dahn?

By Anonymous on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 03:35 pm:

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050807/NEWS12/508070310/-1/spider

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050807/NEWS02/508070311/-1/spider

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050807/NEWS12/508070312/-1/spider

By MKD on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 03:01 pm:

Dahn sucks. Literally, they suck your $$ away from you, suck you away from your family, suck away all your time and energy so you have nothing left to give other than what you have done for them all day, day after day. Stay away. I often wonder how my life would be right now if i never set foot into my center. I feel so horrible for my few friends who are still so far gone, sucked in they really are losing it. I actually think one of my friends is being told by jwjn to get "close" with me to get me back in. Too weird to actually explain but I have my reasons. Keep it real!

By Dahn member on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 02:06 pm:

Wow, you're exactly right. My master does remind me of an abused wife. I had never thought of it like that.

I don't know why I'm "manic" or whatever. I have bipolar disorder but I don't think that's an excuse. I think I just have a crazy, sarcastic personality.

Clockwork-
It makes me wonder why that guy would go to EVERY CLASS and roll his eyes the whole time even though he knew it was bad.
Do you think he was just there to help people like you? If so, wow, that takes balls, and patience!

Anon just below me: did you become aware of this through the center or through the internet?
Please share your experiences, if you feel comfortable, and pick a name to call yourself so we know how to tell you apart from the other "anons",

By Anonymous on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:53 pm:

Dahn Member, I just want you to know that I totally understand. I am having a lot of the same feeling and emotions right now. I actually have been a member for about 6 months and today was the first day that it was brought to my attention about the cult like tendencies of DAhn. I have been questioning this for a long time but have just read some postings and a bunch of articles and testomonies re: Dahn being a cult.

By clockwork on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 07:42 am:

EXACTLY!! Anon, well put, that is just what I meant, always looking when it is all right in front of us.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 07:38 am:

looking for something, when we already have everything.

By clockwork on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 06:41 am:

As Human Beings we are all looking for something aren't we and we always will, this is what keeps the Human Race moving foward. Interesting.

By Anonymous on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 05:57 am:

Clockwork- It is so so sad. Caring for a person who in many ways is like a drug addict or an emotionally disturbed abused wife. They like the safety of the dominance.
Masters enjoy the chaos and the petty mind games of the commune homes. Masters do not have to deal with petty things like paying heat bills.
Although masters do have to worry and obsess about everything else?

At least the Krishnas get to hang out at the park playing drums.


Don member - This is what your manic about leaving?

By clockwork on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 04:15 am:

Okay all, lets not get annoyed or angry with one another, we all know who we should be angry at, that is of course, DR LEE. It seems we all have such different ways of expressing ourselves and expressing our hurt. It does not seem to me that anyone is purposely trying to offend anyone, it is a tough time for all. I remember earlier in my posts I was angry and bitter, also quite sarcastic, but I got over it, you all will, it only takes time.
Freshex, to answer your question I was involved in Dahn for three months maybe four months. I loved Dahn and I loved my master. She was an American girl who was my age and I could relate to her so well. I then realized Dahn was sucking up my life and realized they wanted to isolate me and expected me to leave my loved ones behind. When I heard these type of comments I got really scared. Also there was a mysterious guy involved in Dahn, he went to every class, but he would always be rolling his eyes throughout the class. Anyway, one day he pulled me aside and asked me "what is your obligation to this group, I hope you are aware that you are exactly what they are looking for, be careful all they want is your cash." Thanks to him I left that day and never went back. I talked to my master on the phone and told her the truth about how I think Dahn is a scam and they only want my money. I never heard from her again, but I still see her all the time, I live right near the center. I feel sorry for her, she could have a life of her own, she is stunningly beautiful also, so caring. She could have so much more. It is sad.

By fresh-ex on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 03:37 am:

Clockwork- how long were you a member? what happened that inspired you to leave?

By don jon on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 07:13 pm:

So what happened in the Westchester centers? I am dying to know? Does anyone have any insider info?
Please.

By Dahn member on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 01:38 pm:

"glib"... been talking to tom cruise?

By Dahn member on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 01:33 pm:

I don't think you know what multiple personality disorder IS.

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 12:55 pm:

I didn't say anything about anyone faking the paranoia of leaving a cult.

People were sincerely trying to help to a person who sounded seriously disturbed, and they were met with glib (not funny) answers and a complete change in the personality of the poster.

I'm afraid this list suffers from a multiple personality disorder.

By BoZo on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 12:41 pm:

Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 08:18 am: "QUOTE"
Some people can sense a fake.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ever hear this one?
It takes one to know one?

Accuse someone of faking the paranoia and "Rocky Mountain High" they feel when leaving a cult will make them running back to the arms of said cult, with all its' warm-fuzzies. "You need Professional help" is just an hypocritical put-down of the worst sort. These times are very real and frightening. We need support, which is why we're coming here.
No preaching, no scolding, no judging, no "buy this book"ing; just SUPPORT, okay? The strongest help the weaker ones until they get stronger. He's not heavy, he's my Brother (or Sister..)

If one can't catch wit and cynicism in type; well, so much for Sir Francis Bacon and William Shakespeare!!
Humour as a coping skill (whilst kicking oneself in one's ass) is HEALTHY, Malice toward another is NOT.
I'm embarrassed to see all the negativity, projection and displacement. Please realize that Dahnmember's DUALITY AND FRAGILITY is part of the Deal. P.T.S.D.? That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
Please let's be civil to one another, or the Board will deteriorate beyond repair.
I am linking it to my site.
CHEERS, i.e., be FILLED WITH CHEER,
That's a Blessing!

BoPeep

P.S. I know I've said my Fare-thee-Wells, but I still plan to check back here for news; this site is WHERE IT'S AT as far as investigative reporting goes.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
What about the Yahoo site?
That's a great idea, how's it coming?
Let me know if you need any help.

By CLOCKWORK on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:22 am:

FRESH EX THAT IS SUCH A GOOD POINT YOU MADE. I WAS SO ANGRY ABOUT DAHN UP UNTIL ABOUT A MONTH AGO. YES I LOST A LOT OF MONEY AND THAT KILLS ME BUT I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT MYSELF, I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT OTEHR PEOPLE, IT WAS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE ALL AROUND AND I AM PROUD I HAVE IT UNDER MY BELT NOW, NOT MANY PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT. WHAT I MEAN IS NOT MANY PEOPLE CAN BE SUCKED INTO A CULT SO FAST AND FURIOUSLY AND THEN GET THEMSELVES OUT JUST AS QUICK, IT IS A STRONG FEAT A HUGE STRENGTH THAT I KNOW I HAVE, WELL WE ALL HAEV ON THIS BOARD.

By fresh-ex on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 09:56 am:

dahn member- when i left dahn, one of the members clung to me, calling me several times a day, worried that i would "abandon" her. well, she ended up abandoning me! she just dropped off the radar one day. i found out she went to healer school, and never called me again. she had no friends outside dahn. but she made no effort to change anything, and lost me too.
the sooner you let them go the better, and realize now that they have no hold on you. they can't hurt you. i was scared at first. i'm fine now. i am actually glad this happened to me because i learned so much about myself.
green goos never worked for me. i separated proteins and fats from carbs and lost over 60 lbs in one year. sounds cheesy, but its susanne somers books. they are based on diabetes research. don't associate dahn with your waistline. if you gained weight while being there though?? man, say bye bye
regarding humour issues- obviously we can't pick up sarcasm and joking through typing. it just confuses the other posters (me included). be clear, take this seriously and you won't upset people. it is very serious and i hope you take it seriously too. and sharing info on reading doesn't mean you have to buy a bunch of books (that would be dahnish). go to the library!!!!!

By Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 08:18 am:

Some people can sense a fake.

By BoPeep on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:00 pm:

Dearest Dahnmember,

I think this is hilarious: "I've crafted a makeshift computer from some wires I found underneath the bones in here."
I don't know why folks want to preach to you.
But it's NOT what you need right now, obviously.
I have no problem catching your humour; both you and I use humour as a defense mechanism.
(rather than malice)
When I first came to this message board I was dogged out, just like you. Probably by the same person/people. So I changed my name and came back as someone else, because I did need the Board to Reality Check with.
Now I think it's served its' purpose for me and it's time to move on.
Bring your wry wit where it will be appreciated:

http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS

It's got e-mail, I.M., Bulletins, Forums, you name it.
There's only one rule:
Everyone is to be treated with unconditional positive regard.
And I think you would have no problem in that regard.

Peace out, everyone,
BoPeep

~~Thanks for your constant support, suziecue and andrew nevis~~

By Andrew Nevis on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 10:21 pm:

Dahn member, we all enjoy humor, if it is well written There are members of this board, who take all this very seriously and so do keep that in mind. You can share jokes, but do make them apparent.

Have been informed of a new pop up blocker in Korea, it stops people from accessing this site. Any version of this in North America? Is this a coincidence?

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 09:35 pm:

wow some people have sticks up their asses.

you know, sometimes it helps to poke fun at things that have upset you, to make light of them.

that doesn't mean you can't still help people.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 09:05 pm:

You're now boring me dahn member. Now that you
realize what Dahnhak is about, get out, get help,
grow up. Put your clever mind to work on more
constructive, informative and helpful words.

By don jon on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:58 pm:

I think Dahn member just needs some TLC. It's okay. he /she is obviously going through difficult time.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:42 pm:

http://www.newdahn.com/usa
Check this site

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:41 pm:

http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS
Check this site.

By Stillahealer on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:22 pm:

Good bye Dahnmember. This is way too serious for your games.

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:19 pm:

I'm being held hostage in their dungeons.
I've crafted a makeshift computer from some wires I found underneath the bones in here.

By Stillahealer on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:12 pm:

What?? exdahnmember are you under a gag order? or are you doing counter inteligence??????
I am confused as usual.

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:08 pm:

You...PEOPLE...
you're almost as bad as them!
getting me to buy all these religion, spirituality, philosophy books, etc.

I'm already buying "The Spiritual Tourist" and "Heaven Within".
And that Discovery Channel video!

Fine, what else should I buy?

(P.s. if anyone wants info on these things like links or authors let me know)

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:03 pm:

to anon-
i'm not at liberty to disclose any more information at this point in time.

*looks around with shifty eyes*

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:03 pm:

I found this post on "groups," thru google. This was written back in April 2002.

"If everyone in the world would read the book MALDORER, the world would be
a much better place. Because it'd so neatly undermine the notion that
money-grubbing cult-promoters are the Messiah that by the sheer force of
its cynicism, even the bewildered would be less inclined to embrace the
Conversations Cult, Scientology, the latest tin god guru pretending to
godhead. I mean, like Rita here tosses out the Walsch cult not out of her
happiness to have embraced the moronic, but because she dislikes something
so much (this thread for instance) that she tells us she will never
comment on it, as she comment on it. So it was anger-inspired or
hate-inspired or at the very least disdain-inspired nonsense posing as
some sort of New Age positivity.

But when cheezily sentimental supernatural Self Help books for God Fearing
Teenagers become the answer to the world's problems, that's the same time
a lowland gorilla gets elected president & cows learn to fly.


Neale Donald Walsch is the key founder of a cultic organization calling
itself the New Millennium Peace Foundation which targets youths especially
in America and England. He is purely the L. Ron Hubbard type. He is also a
key associate of the Dahnist cult which promotes fraudulant alternative
medicine & persistantly demands donations. The cult's shared Declaration
of Humanity is nice enough as Mediocre Guru 101 stuff goes, but the
Reverand Sun Yun Moon & L. Ron Hubbard say some nice things too, while
undertaking their primary mission of raking in the bucks.


Walsch's co-conspirator in cult promotion is "Grand Master" Seung Heun Lee
about whom there is much reported by the Cult Awareness Network and by
Cult Watch. This self-styled Grand Master (Guru) has as his main "gags"
simpleminded promises of Global Enlightenment, Self-Healing, Martial Arts,
& money-grabbing. His publisher in America is -- ta da! -- the crackpot I
Talk To God wacko Neale Donald Walsch. Plus Walsch gives the Grand Master
top billing at the New Millenium Peace Foundation. And Seung returns the
favor promoting Walsch at all Dahn Hak cult events.


Dahn Hak poses as a fitness & health & martial arts system and grabs
willy-nilly from Chinese Taoist and Japanese Zen traditions (as did L. Ron
Hubbard) to form a sometimes-nice-seeming snare. Most of Seung's more
highly placed Conversion Force, called "the little masters," are South
Koreans who have themselves signed over all their worldly goods to Seung,
and abandoned their families. You can buy something called "Universal
Energy" from these people for only $150 (for starters). As one victim of
the cult said, "They could sell you your own toenails."


Here is a collection of links:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/dti.html
all about Dahn Hak high pressure tactics & their thoroughly cultic
activities. Remember, Neale "Conversations with God" Walsch is the main
publisher of Master Seung Hueng Lee's cult-promoting drivel; Seung in turn
persistently promotes for Walsh the Conversations With God Foundation; &
the two cult leaders run the New Millennium Peace Foundation together.
They really are the L. Ron Hubbard wannabe working in tandem with the Sun
Yun Moon wannabe, & as cheapy-ass imitations of the originals, they have
much less chance of improving the world than Hubbard & Moon have had.


These evil men target children. Teenagers & runaways are very important to
them. All of Walsh's "Conversations" books in particular are addressed to
children & preposterously invent wisdoms from the mouths of children
(which quotations frequently turn out to be plagiarised from other books &
not from teenagers at all). Once on the "inside" of the three main arms of
this cult (Dahnist cult, Whirled Peas foundation, & Conversations
foundation), the kids are converted into beggers who go out into the world
peddling for high prices Conversations With God cut materials and
Universal Energy. Walsch's main teaching is that there is no Good and no
Evil, that even Hitler went to Heaven. It is at least libertine & doesn't
require the teenagers to get off drugs or reconnect with their family
(indeed, the opposite is true). Full acceptance. Cool. But if your begging
in Walsh's behalf fails, or you are disobedient, you get punished by the
Little Masters of the Way.


Walsch has been confronted in interviews with his direct plagiarisms &
close paraphrases in the Conversations books of material previously in
books by James Redfield, Marianne Williamson, Wayne Dyer, & other New Age
wackos. Walsh had a ready answer: "They talked to God too. Of course we
say the same things." Williamson is a "channeler" who wrote her book
"Return to Love" after communicating with supernatural agents, & she runs
an extensive cult organization of her own. Redfield promotes moral
relativism which is were the permissiveness of Walsch's "Even Hitler Went
to Heaven" Converstions Çult originates. Redfield is the author of the
totally loony-toons "Celestine Prophecy" popular within many cheesy cults
whose founders can't write a good enough gospel of their own, but it seems
to be Redfield himself is only promoting his own magical beliefs & wacky
take on transcendentali8sm, & really only wants to sell the books. So he's
just a crank, not an evil crank like Walsch, Seung, or Williamson who want
ALL your money ALL your obedience and ALL your children, within a cult
framework. The real point though is that Walsh wasn't even clever enough
to write his own crap, he had to steal the best bits from smarter
crackpots than himself.


Not until you realize the financial interconnectedness with the Dahn Hak
cult does Walsch's underlying purpose become clear. He otherwise just
looks like a tin-plated philosopher with a cartoon take on God pretending
to be from God's own mouth. L. Ron Hubbard's first couple books were just
self-help generic crap too, but he too had the construction of a
world-wide profit-making pseudoreligious empire in mind from the start.


Will any New Age Guru Cult Master REALLY someday be the salvation of the
world? Not bloody likely. But if a True Messiah does rise out all that
assinine bullshit, he or she won't have Walsch, Seung, Conversations, or
Dahnism attached. And my advice to Rita is RUN! ESCAPE! GET OUT! before
you're so convinced of it that you end up a Volunteer Mini-Master sucking
the brains out of teenage sadsacks & raking in the bucks for your false
messiah without even minimum wage to show for it."
by paghat

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:02 pm:

I thought Hawkins' other book, "Power vs. Force" was a Dahnhak book?

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 06:57 pm:

quote: THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you know this, putting all paranoia aside?



What happened with the master whose sister was coming to town? Just curious.

Why do you keep going there? Don't go there anymore and then it won't matter that they are on to you.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 06:26 pm:

Sorry for the spelling mistake on the Author's name. I strongly suggest to every ex-dahn member to read David Hawkins book: "The eye of the I". It healed my heart and soul, and it washed away all Dahn's false teaching. You can order it through Barnes and Noble, or order it direct from the publisher on line at "www.veritaspub.com" It is alot faster if you order it through Barnes and Noble though.

Love to all

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 06:09 pm:

To those who have access to Newdahn website, could you please copy and paste the rest of the 1999 Master story on this site? Thank you.

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 06:07 pm:

i've been diagnosed with almost the entire book as well.
but no, i actually gained weight since i started dahn.

i think eating green goo is better than being anorexic though, no?

p.s. i think i have an odd sense of humor. i don't seem to make sense, ever.
of course i'm british...??


but seriously
THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm so paranoid right now!

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 06:02 pm:

Please let me know how do you open Newdahn's website? I only get question marks. Thanks.

By Stillahealer on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 05:57 pm:

Heh Bo.
Its the calm before the storm. The seeds have been planted now we have to wait for them to grow.
Patience my dear. And I like your Dahnbusters site, even if I feel lost there.
Stay cool and focus on your WHATEVER.
Have a great weekend. Its happening.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 05:32 pm:

"I believe Dahnmember was being facetious."

Oh. Sorry Dahn Member. But if you do need help with an eating disorder, please do get professional help, not Dahn crap. Man do I feel mad at that whole Dahn thing!!

By HealerNoMore on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 04:10 pm:

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 02:47 pm:


anyone want to sell me their green dahn weight loss goo?


Try: www.greenfoods.com or www.drdavesbest.com

These are real supplements and not some ripoff product sold by the cult of greed.

Do a google search for health food. dahns stuff probably won't be found.

By BoPeep on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 03:56 pm:

Sweeties,
I believe Dahnmember was being facetious. She has a great (sort of British) sense of humour.
I've been diagnosed with the entire D.S.M. IV, and I still manage to maintain...


WHAT NEWS? Any more links?? What of the lawsuit?
NEWS NEWS NEWS! I NEED NEWS!

Chins UP!!
BoPeep

By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 03:31 pm:

So what are you saying, Dahn Member, that you want to take Dahn's weight loss sh.t?!

You need professional help. Go get it. You said you were had a lot of serious problems before you went to Dahn, and now you know it's a destructive cult, so get away from it, including their weight loss "goo" and get some real help for you life challenges.

That's my advise, take it for whatever it's worth, coming from a stranger on an Internet list.

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 02:47 pm:

anyone want to sell me their green dahn weight loss goo?
my friend said it tastes like ass but he lost weight.

By clockwork on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 05:50 am:

Dahn Member, I wish you the best, I can understand where you are right now. I did all the same type of things you mention before I joined Dahn, so when I realized Dahn was phony I felt so betrayed, I felt as though I had no ability to see or know what was real and what was fake. I felt so lost, like all of the decisions I have ever made were bad and wrong. This of course is not true, think of what a strong, smart person you are to even realize what Dahn really is and you are getting yourself out. Not many people can do this in cults, only the strong end up seeing the truth and getting themselves out, you ARE doing that, therefore you are strong and do have control. Also don't feel shame for being involved in Dahn, it is only human nature to be drawn to things that releive our pain. You are strong and I give you credit, give yourself credit you deserve it. This will be a new chapter in your life, perhaps the best one yet. Fresh Ex you are great too!

By Dahn member on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 02:37 am:

Funny how my horoscope for today read:
"You need more information before making any decisions. Ask questions, and sign nothing."

Perfect.


On another note:
HOLY SH** THEY KNOW IT'S ME POSTING ON HERE!
(I didn't do a very good job of trying to disguise myself)

By Andrew Nevis on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:14 pm:

Dahn member, it is natural to be a little crazy after leaving Dahn. You are coming back into yourself. View it as akin to coming back from a war zone, a part of you was shut down while in Dahn.
U.S military advises anyone who has served in a stressful area to take at least a month to decompress and return to normal living. Do not make any serious commitments in this time, it is too easy to act on impulse.
You have made so far an important step towards recovery, you're here and talking.
We know you'll get through the bad times, we're all here for you.

By BoPeep on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 08:49 pm:

TWEEKED again. Need suggestions/comments/constructive criticism welcomed.
http://groups.myspace.com/DAHNBUSTERS

Cheers, dears

By BoPeep on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 08:42 pm:

Dearest DahnMember,

What you're describing sounds like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, P.T.S.D.
I had the same symptoms when I got home from
"Sedona" [sic.] where I realized it was all a big Charade; that they were herding people through there like so many cattle.

Keep your chin up! Do something proactive, like maybe... changing your name to EX Dahnmember?
Tear up all Dahn literature, or better yet, burn it ceremoniously. Delete their number from your cell phone. Any little thing you can do to take your power back will help. It did help me. And what ever happened to that check you wrote them??

Cheers!
BoPeep

(Calling them up and cursing them out didn't hurt me a bit, either;~]...)

By cat on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 08:06 pm:

In regard to personal possessions:
The next to last master at my center was
straight from Korea where she supposedly was
one of the top creators of Brain Respiration.
She and the master who she was replacing worked
very hard to get me to sign up for her special
brain healing at $500 an hour and I would need
a minimum of ten. I even got senenaded with flute music(they weren't very good). I said too much money especially if I was going back to Sedona for
myungsa training. She suggested that I had
lots of nice jewelry and why did I need so much?
I told her the jewelry was there before Dahn and
she couldn't have it. She dropped the price to
$200 an hour if I would bring in 10 new members
or send 10 members from my class to her for
healing. I said I would send members to her if
I really felt they needed healing. She began pressuring the other master(I thought we were very close) to force me to a decision. He ended
up very angry with me. Our relationship was never the same after that. The new master went
back to Korea after three months here.

Sorry, I don't know how to get this computer to
type across the page. I'm sure there's a button
to push. I just don't know which one.

By HealerNoMore on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 04:53 pm:

For anyonr trying to leave dahn:

The Rick Ross sight has some good information at http://www.rickross.com/help.html

If therapy is out of the question call on some family or friends and do some shared activity. It doesn't have too be strictly talking, it can be going to a movie or baseball game or to the park,bicycling or hiking,etc.

Do an activity that made you happy before dahn. It will bring even greater joy now that you are free from a dangerous cult.

Most people were born into some religion. Jewish,Christian,Bhuddist,etc. Why not go back to the respective church and pray for guidance? It can't hurt. After all isn't this what dahn has you do with the bow training and chanting?

If you get all depressed and fall into sorrow you are actually letting them control you. They want you to be dependant on them. All of their training is to make you a slave to them. Every exercise you do helps them to brainwash you into becoming their slave.

You must realize that you were doing fine before they came along and you will be fine after they are out of your lives. Good Luck!

By HealerNoMore on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 04:36 pm:

"I remember reading on Healer BBS (a site for those who attended healer school) one of the masters in the Boston area giving ideas for overcoming money objections. She mentioned; borrowing from credit cards, borrowing from family, selling possessions and the final comment sorta tongue in cheek was, "you can stand on the street and beg"---Whenwillitstop


I am surprised this master did not mention emptying out your retirement IRA or 401k plans. This statement says a lot about the priorities of dahn. dahn doesn't care about their members only how they can get their hands on their members money.

The masters will make you believe that money is bad. They don't want you to focus on money or material posessions like houses and cars,etc. So you don't and before you know it you are poor and in debt.

dahn will put its members into the poorhouse with no remorse of how it will destroy the lives of it members. Once they have your money they will move on to the next victim. This means the fake love ends and all the attention ends and you are just another worker bee, unless you leave.

dahn yoga is a dangerous cult led by a reported sexual deviant.

Be aware and be warned.

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 04:01 pm:

for the past week i have been acting downright HOSTILE toward people.
ack!
is that normal?

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:59 pm:

im gonna go for a walk and get some fresh air.

i called my boyfriend who i basically alienated and ignored for the past few months, telling him i didn't need him (you know, you don't need a "parter" because they just distract you from "the vision")
and anyway i asked him to go out with me tonight.

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:57 pm:

no its just another one of my stupid panic attacks.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh
i dont know what to do

By Stillahealer on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:48 pm:

Call 911 and get to the hospital

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:33 pm:

only 6 months.
but the thing is, before i joined i was suicidal, self-harming, alcoholic, pill-popper, anorexic and bullimic.
after about 2 months in Dahn all of that stopped.
i felt so great, so euphoric, and began to embrace life.

now i'm scared, depressed, can't get out of bed, anxious, stressed, crying, panicky, lost, obsessed and fixated about this.

all my friends are disillusioned with the thoughts that dahn is a way of "purifying themselves" and "working for the vision".
i caught on too quickly, unlike the other foolish youths.
but merely understanding does not make things better.


i dropped out of school
my job is working at the center
it seems as though all my other interests have disappeared.


HELP.
I can't breathe anymore.

By Stillahealer on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:23 pm:

Sorry Dahnmember;
I need to take that advise myself, if you know what I mean.

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:22 pm:

To Dahn memeber, who needs help:

I personally found that getting involved with something new is very exciting, the feeling is similar to falling in love. Except that in case of Dahn, the love turned out to be misplaced and the honeymoon was over pretty soon.

Anyway, it is said, the best way to forget lost love is to find a new one.
The same with Dahn, - find a new love, find something new and exciting to do and you will get over Dahn.

By hiding from the world, and suffering alone you are not helping yourself . In fact, you are probably making it worse.
Get out there, sign up for Tai Chi, volounteer for a church or something.

Best of luck.
Cheers from Houston.

By Stillahealer on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 03:13 pm:

How long have you been in Dahn? What did you do before? Do you have a job or are you in school? Sounds like you need some structure.
Being at the center is not being in the real world. I know I loved the escape as well. You seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place. Sounds like you believed Dahn was the answer to all your problems in life. Now you know you must look within and count on yourself, not Dahn, not your family, and especially not this board. We are here to share our experiences for others to see.
When all else fails I pray.
Love and Light

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 02:58 pm:

ALRIGHT.
THIS IS IT.

HELP ME.

I have been at home the past 4 days reading this message board and the other websites OVER AND OVER.

I've been avoiding class but I get multiple calls EVERY DAY.

I want to get out.
But I'm obsessed.
It's taking over my mind and I feel like I'm about to go crazy.

Now I know why people commit suicide from being in cults- MY BRAIN IS GOING CRAZY.
Not saying that I'm suicidal AT ALL, just saying that I can definitely understand the reasons now.

But I want to get out, and then I kind of don't.
And the thing is, I DONT KNOW WHY I WANT TO STAY.
Something's compelling me.

I HAVE TO GO TO YEHA CAMP IN SEDONA.
I HAVE TO GO TO SHIM SUNG.
But I'm creeped out... I want to just... RUN!!!!!!!!

Does anyone know where I can get help?
I can't tear myself away from the computer, searching for new articles or waiting for new posts.
I'm addicted and obsessed.


I don't really have any friends outside Dahnhak.
And I don't get along with my family.
I was, and am, a prime target for them.

WHAT DO I DO?????????????????????????????????

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 02:12 pm:

oh yeah and there's another Ben who's in Korea as an Earth Star right now.
I don't know which center he is from though.

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 01:04 pm:

ohhhhh you're right Caleb.
Fremont center?

By fresh-ex on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 12:28 pm:

hi SC and clockwork! SC- thanks for the correction on that author. i will check it out.
i am not not doing research either right now so i am more of an observer. and i too am weary of opening links. its too risky for me!
its so interesting to watch people transform on the board... setting themselves free. its great. this board is wonderful.
so a big hi back to clockwork and SC

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 12:26 pm:

In conclusion: There are a lot of Bens getting sucked into Dahn, along with all the Toms, Dicks, and Harrys.

By caleba76 on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:47 am:

Dahn Member,
I know the Ben you are talking about but he is from California up near the Bay Area not Boston.

By Whenwillitstop on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:37 am:

IMO. The masters who ran some centers outside of Seattle and Boston did not use the same high pressure tactics to get members to participate in various Dahn training activities.The Boston Regional as well as the Seattle Regional were the Queens of $$$ produced. Each class in Sedona that I attended was well represented by these two regions. I remember reading on Healer BBS (a site for those who attended healer school) one of the masters in the Boston area giving ideas for overcoming money objections. She mentioned; borrowing from credit cards, borrowing from family, selling possessions and the final comment sorta tongue in cheek was, "you can stand on the street and beg"
I can understand someone selling their t.v. etc to attend a function believing they are saving humanity.
The Seattle Regional has moved all her high pressure "thugs" to Texas to continue with her mission.

By clockwork on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:30 am:

That sounds like the Ben I knew, he would haev done something like that and announced it. He was so gung ho abotu Dahn Yoga when I knew him, we was obsessed and went to sedona after only being in Dahn three months. I always wonder what happened to him and ho whe saw the truth.

By Dahn member on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 09:50 am:

The Ben I met announced at YEHA camp that he had sold his entire TV/stereo/entertainment center to pay for his airline ticket and trip to Sedona.

By BooRadley on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 07:56 am:

Dear Mr. Andrew Nevis, Esq., et.al.,
DahnBusters URL is at
http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupid=100835561&Mytoken=20050809075048

Thanks for the Kudos ;~}
Boo

By clockwork on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 04:25 am:

I think I knew Ben also, I am in Massachusetts and I knew a Ben in the same area. He got so into Dahn so fast, then I found out recently he no longer is a part of Dahn. I am so curious to know if that is him. He was a very passionate young man and I would not doubt he would go to the press with his story. I am so curious!

By HealerNoMore on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 12:07 am:

If they stay in one place too long they may make some friends and find out the truth about dahn.

lee won't allow this to happen because he will lose control over his master slaves.

It could be because they are also in this country illegally. Hence, the name changes.

What is lee's immigration status? Is he a US citizen or is he illegal?

There are many ways to go with this line of thinking.

Bottom Line:

Beware of dahn yoga it is a dangerous cult!!!

By Dahn member on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:21 pm:

I'm still sticking to the idea that Lee moves his masters around just so they won't become attached to any particular place, members, or other masters.
He does not want them to develop the human-like qualities of trust and affection, which can only be gained by time- the masters know they will be moved so they don't bother becoming emotionally involved or making friends because they know they'll just lose their loved ones over and over again.
It's a way of keeping them loyal to him- Lee is the only constant in their lives.

I feel so sad for them.

By HealerNoMore on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:11 pm:

"Seung Heun Lee is the worst kind of sexual predator who, under the pretense of teaching sexual Tao mastery, has sexually violated over 200 (some say 500) ofhis female disciples." -Jiha Kim 1999


I started to think about this phrase and found it very disturbing. Is this the reason lee has all of his masters transferred every few months?

It seems like lee doesn't want his "women" masters falling in love or being with other men. He owns them and only he is allowed to be with them. He must get them early into their indoctrination to ensure that he is the only one who has them.

Is this his way of dominating all of the men in dahn? He is the alpha male so only he gets the women.

How do the Korean (male) masters feel about this? I am sure they would be as offended as anyone else. Do they realize that lee has emasculated them? Do they like being dominated by lee? Will lee eventually demand full castration of his male masters?

This speech by Jiha Kim sheds a whole new light on lee's behavior.

If there are any members doubting what ex-members are saying on this board, you can believe everything by looking at lee's behavior.
It is not normal and in my opinion quite dangerous.

We can only hope more people will be warned by reading this and other websites dedicated to exposing lee and dahn for what it truly is -- a dangerous cult

By Anonymous on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:10 pm:

Tee-hee. I don't want to say what you made me think of here. Squatting, sudden heat bursting forth, melting the snow beneath him.

By Dahn member on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 09:58 pm:

Quote from article #2:

"He also speaks of squatting for hours on a snow-covered field in sub-zero temperatures. Ready to die, he wrote, ***his body emanated a furious heat, melting the snow and forming a capsule of energy that shielded him from the cold.***"


*supresses giggles*

By Dahn member on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 09:52 pm: